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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies i am your host ryan sprague and i

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have been waiting a very long time to

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connect with who we'll be speaking to

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with today and that is philip mantle he

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is one of my favorite ufo researchers

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over in the uk he has done everything

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from investigating ufo crashes landings

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close encounters the alien autopsy as

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well which we'll have to talk to him

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about on another episode but today we're

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here to talk about his new book and that

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is ufo landings uk now a lot of people

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know the rendushan forest incident uh

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you know the roswell crash here in the

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united states but the uk has a very

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rich history with ufo landings uh a rich

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history that i was not fully aware of

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until i looked at this huge

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compilation that philip has brought to

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us in the form of this book so without

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further ado i'm going to bring him in

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for the very first time to somewhere in

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the skies

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oh my pleasure good evening ryan

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good evening yeah it's just turning noon

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over here in the states so i got to

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thank you for for spending your night

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with me here uh to talk all about your

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you your new book uh but you know before

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we do that before we talk landings i

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always have to ask first-time guests for

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those who may not be familiar with you

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with your work the quintessential origin

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story how did you get involved with ufos

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um that one that you're probably used to

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answering uh yeah

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long time ago ryan i mean when i was you

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know a young fellow at high school

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i had three or four interests i mean i'd

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always had an interest in not all things

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and i was also interested in the space

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race at that time

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um and um horror movies

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but the paranormal was was top of the

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list and i i was fortunate in some

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respects that uh literally

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the other side of the street from where

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i lived my best friend's grandmother uh

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and she used to go to a local

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so i tagged lon a few times i've just

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i can't remember the title of it all

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these years later but it had one chapter

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which i found rather odd to be honest

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ryan because elsewhere in this book

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about astronomical uh phenomena but you

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don't accept the ufo phenomena i found

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um but nonetheless that's that sparked

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about it which wasn't a lot you could

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now just around the column from where i

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live my aunt used to live and she used

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she brought it around one night ryan and

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pointed to an advertisement in it coming

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so i caught the bus i didn't drive in

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those days i caught the bus into leeds

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the location was a place called

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in our goals i find the room that hired

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uh great to see a pile of books for sale

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that that pleased me now the york's ufo

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society it was formed by two brothers

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and that is graham and mark birdsall

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and they'd obviously been involved in

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the subject for a few years they put on

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a presentation ryan and you know that

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i was home i felt i've found my niche in

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i just wanted to know more

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to successfully edit and publish ufo

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magazine here in the uk that sold in its

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sadly he died you know uh unexpectedly a

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few years back but nonetheless i've i

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felt this is it so i actually joined the

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and we have to used to have monthly

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meetings and by the time you know the

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fourth or fifth meeting now you know

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we're ready to jump in with both feet

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had had it not been for that

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advertisement in the auction evening

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post i would never have known about this

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the right time with the right people i

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just felt very fortunate

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wow i see i love hearing those those

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stories you know many people have a

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sighting that's what gets them

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interested or like you it's complete

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happenstance i recall stanton friedman

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flying saucers and it changed his life

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he was well that's absolutely

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that advertisement in the york should

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even impose changed my life yeah you

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because where i lived was a small town

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nice enough city still is

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but um you know i had no formal

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absolutely hopeless but i i always had

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bible was verbatim and this is it and

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if i'm gonna get in trouble at least i

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going on and um you know that continued

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amazing question everything question

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everything well okay so you know

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throughout the years decades you've

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researched uh many many cases you've

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investigated some personally as well um

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and that kind of culminated into one of

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many of your books but the one we'll be

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talking about today is ufo landings uk

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like i mentioned there have been

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so many that i was not aware of we know

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the pinnacle cases the rendoshams and

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whatnot um uh even broadhaven a lot of

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your book has hundreds upon hundreds so

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before we even talk about some of the

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cases philip where did these come from

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how did you obtain these files

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when we started right and there was no

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right there was no online service so

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cases you either did it in person i mean

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yorkshire ufo society as it

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yorkshire called the yorkshire dales i'd

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recommend every american tourist ahead

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there it's a beautiful part of the world

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whatever reason ryan

280
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had a lot of sightings

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uh being reported and this is you know a

282
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lot of it is what we call semi-rural

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uh when you leave the town there are no

284
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cities when you leave the towns there's

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villages there's moors

286
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uh especially one place called carlton

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moore just outside of skipton

288
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uh it's heather there are no livestock

289
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kept there they they do game bird

290
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shooting there but that's about it

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and

292
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we made it our purpose to make ourselves

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as visible as possible

294
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we would leave our contact details with

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local police stations you know libraries

296
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even put posters up in some of the local

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pubs and one of the things when people

298
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contacted one of the things we used to

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ask is how have you found us you know

300
00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:20,720
have you found our address or our phone

301
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number so we we knew what was working so

302
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there was a time in the early 1980s that

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we were

304
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you know bombarded with sightings from

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these areas uh and couldn't couldn't

306
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cope at times almost

307
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so you know i think i i joined ufology

308
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at the right time

309
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i i joined with the right people mark

310
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and graham but birdsell

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and we were just fortunate that there

312
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was a lot of things

313
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happening for us to get our teeth into

314
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and um and off we went and we were up

315
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and running out you know i learned to

316
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drive got my own transport and there was

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no stopping us uh it was as simple as

318
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that and we made ourselves very very

319
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visible and we do lots of local lectures

320
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i mean we'll do the women's institute

321
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you i mean you name it just to get the

322
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word out that here we were

323
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and and that's how

324
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our information started to be gathered

325
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interesting now um i recall in the book

326
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you had mentioned in the introduction

327
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that you had personally investigated one

328
00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:29,920
of these ufo landings is that true

329
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yeah yeah i mean once once we got up and

330
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running

331
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um the area that i lived in was was

332
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covered by a another newspaper it's

333
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called the wakefield express i'm sure

334
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you've all read it

335
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[Laughter]

336
00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:45,680
i've got it right on my uh my coffee

337
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table yeah and i did a local feature in

338
00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:50,399
it you know that you stand there holding

339
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your camera looking stupid you know

340
00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:55,040
but they ran my phone number

341
00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:58,000
and we had a lady call us um

342
00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:00,480
just a local lady and she said philip

343
00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:01,760
you won't believe me you won't believe

344
00:14:04,389 --> 00:14:02,800
me

345
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:04,399
i said well give us a chance now you

346
00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:05,839
won't believe me you won't believe me

347
00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:08,160
now the area that i lived in

348
00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:11,680
um was an industrial area uh mainly coal

349
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mines

350
00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:18,160
life um and this lady

351
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:20,160
only lived a few miles away she lived in

352
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:22,240
a town called normanton in west

353
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yorkshire

354
00:14:28,389 --> 00:14:26,160
and that was a coal mining town uh at

355
00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:28,399
that point in the history the mines have

356
00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:30,959
all gone now but so

357
00:14:35,189 --> 00:14:32,560
myself and mark bertsell went to see

358
00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:35,199
this lady she called mrs westerman

359
00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:37,519
now mrs westerman lived in a uh

360
00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:38,800
cul-de-sac

361
00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:41,839
and the there was no hounds as opposite

362
00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:43,760
and her house

363
00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:45,360
was a terraced house but it was an el

364
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,040
what we call an elevated house so you

365
00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:49,760
walked up some steps to get into the to

366
00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:52,959
the front door at the bottom of the road

367
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:55,120
at the end of the cul-de-sac was some

368
00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:56,240
trees

369
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some fields and some electricity pylons

370
00:15:03,829 --> 00:15:00,639
that went and then it came from the

371
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:03,839
nearby uh power station at ferry bridge

372
00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:06,000
now she had several children it was

373
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about five of them and it was just after

374
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:09,440
lunch

375
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and they were outside

376
00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:13,680
playing a ball game it was a beautiful

377
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:15,279
sunny day

378
00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:16,160
and

379
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:18,160
it was a made-up ball game it's the same

380
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:19,920
kind of thing i played when i was their

381
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:21,040
age

382
00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:23,680
and she was actually washing the dishes

383
00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:25,920
after lunch and one of the children came

384
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running in

385
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:29,360
and said mum mum

386
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:32,480
there's an airplane crashed in the field

387
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,360
so

388
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:35,120
she came out the front door and because

389
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:37,920
it's an elevated house ryan she could

390
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:39,759
actually see from a front door across

391
00:15:43,749 --> 00:15:41,120
these fields

392
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:43,759
it's just philly it wasn't any airplane

393
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:44,880
it was

394
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,240
something shaped like a mexican hat

395
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:50,639
but like a silver grain color on the

396
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,680
ground

397
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:53,600
so she got all of the children

398
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:55,199
they walked down to the bottom of the

399
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,240
cul-de-sac through the trees now at one

400
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:00,480
point you go down a little dip so you

401
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:03,519
lose sight of the field above you

402
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:05,279
so she they walked up the other side and

403
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:08,399
this field was bordered by a small fence

404
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:11,040
this thing is sat there on the ground

405
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:13,759
but now there are three tall men

406
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,079
all wearing white suits they had some

407
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:18,800
kind of visor over their face

408
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,399
she was that close you could say they

409
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,639
didn't have gloves on they had they had

410
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:24,320
mittens

411
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:26,639
and they were waving something over the

412
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:27,680
ground

413
00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:29,839
uh one of the children tried to climb

414
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:32,560
the fence so but she held him back

415
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:34,639
and at this point these three beings

416
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:36,800
walked to the back of this thing it then

417
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:40,639
rolls up stopped in the air and was gone

418
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:43,199
whence it came in a flash no noise you

419
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,920
know

420
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:45,199
nothing

421
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:46,399
so

422
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:47,680
she went home

423
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:49,839
and she sat down that night to watch the

424
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:52,240
local tv news sites it's going to be on

425
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:54,639
the tv bound to be there's a major

426
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:56,959
motorway passes normanton

427
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,000
it's called the m62 thousands of cars go

428
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,000
by it was a beautiful sunny day lots of

429
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:03,600
people out and about

430
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:05,760
not a thing i mean nothing

431
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,720
she bought the local newspaper nothing

432
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:10,240
she even went and asked some of her

433
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:12,559
neighbors if they'd seen anything

434
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:13,360
and

435
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,720
interviewed mrs westerman we interviewed

436
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,880
all the children they didn't call it a

437
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,039
spaceship or aliens

438
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:25,760
and they just said these these tall men

439
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:28,000
you know this funny shape thing we even

440
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:29,360
interviewed one of the children's

441
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,760
friends he hadn't seen anything

442
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:33,919
but he'd gone home for lunch

443
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,559
and when he came back

444
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,160
you know everything was over with and he

445
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:40,799
was a bit a bit upset because he missed

446
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:44,320
it all you know he missed the excitement

447
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:45,120
and

448
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:47,360
she was mystified i mean she was

449
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:49,280
perplexed by what she saw in the first

450
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:50,480
place

451
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,400
but she was even more perplexed by the

452
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,720
fact that no one else seemed to have

453
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:56,080
seen anything

454
00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,919
and and she couldn't get that out of her

455
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,520
head like i said

456
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,919
she lived in a mining town

457
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:03,600
kind of people i grew up with all my

458
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:04,480
life

459
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:07,679
we couldn't find any logical explanation

460
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:11,520
for this um this sighting and we did try

461
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,480
um

462
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,559
so she was either lying or telling the

463
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:16,559
truth and i could find no reason why she

464
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:17,840
would be lying she didn't want any

465
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:20,160
publicity wouldn't allow a photograph to

466
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:21,360
be taken

467
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,400
we wrote the arctic this item up in our

468
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:26,720
in our our own publication that we that

469
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,640
we made at the time but we didn't we

470
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:31,200
weren't even allowed to use her name

471
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,960
and what's what's peculiar a couple of

472
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:34,799
years back

473
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:37,919
i did a podcast for someone and i told

474
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,640
this story but i just forgot to use the

475
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:42,559
lady's name

476
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:44,400
it's mrs westerman i thought i just

477
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:45,600
forgot

478
00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:48,640
and i got an email from a a lady in new

479
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:50,000
zealand

480
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:51,840
and she said phillip you know i used to

481
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:55,039
live in normanton i've now immigrated to

482
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,160
new zealand um what was the the lady's

483
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,640
name as it was mrs westerman

484
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,960
she says my best friend was called

485
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,880
westerman

486
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:06,880
and she still lives there but she's

487
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:08,640
changed her name because she's got

488
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,320
married so she emailed her friend and

489
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,559
her friend was one of those children we

490
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,200
interviewed all them years ago

491
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,039
and i got in touch with her

492
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,919
and she confirmed you know what what she

493
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,120
remembered

494
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,559
and uh

495
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:26,799
but still you know

496
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,679
it seems almost ryan that you had to be

497
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,240
in that place at that time to have

498
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:33,840
experienced this

499
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,640
oh you know i i'm just saying that it's

500
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,880
just just an opinion of mine

501
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:41,200
but even all these years later

502
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,360
we were you know these the children now

503
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,960
grown up and had our own family of

504
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:45,840
course

505
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,000
confirmed that it did happen they didn't

506
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,679
say oh i'm sorry for it we're pulling

507
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:51,840
your leg you know

508
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:52,880
and

509
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:55,679
what it did for me ryan i don't know if

510
00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:59,440
i really needed it but it it cemented my

511
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:02,240
belief in the ufo phenomenon

512
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,640
and i thought i'm not wasting my time

513
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,120
here there is something worthy of

514
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:09,760
further research and investigation it's

515
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,720
my time to waste anyway but you know it

516
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:14,320
wasn't a waste of time there was

517
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,480
something to it after all especially

518
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,480
the people that reported this they were

519
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:22,320
the kind of people i'd grown up with all

520
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,200
my life you know and i knew them

521
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,120
my father was a coal miner i had friends

522
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:29,120
work down at the mines and other family

523
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,799
members did

524
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,679
so

525
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,600
i know that's not scientific or anything

526
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:36,000
like that but it's the kind of community

527
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:37,280
i grew up in

528
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:38,159
and

529
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:44,320
mrs westerman's account on my doorstep

530
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:47,200
you know couple of miles up the road

531
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,480
just always

532
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,559
were there in the back of my mind

533
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:52,720
irrespective of what else i was dealing

534
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,080
with or whatever else would come my way

535
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,480
that was already in the file

536
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,159
and um and it continued to to grow as as

537
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,320
as the decades went went by but that's

538
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,080
what it's that's that's the one that

539
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,000
started it all really

540
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:10,080
and um

541
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,360
yeah

542
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:13,760
beautiful sunny day everybody out and

543
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,600
about a huge motorway going past

544
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,520
nobody nobody i mean we've run this

545
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,000
feature in the local newspaper here a

546
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,159
couple of times hoping that somebody

547
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:26,799
else might step forward but but no one

548
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,600
no one so as far as we're aware

549
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,280
you know

550
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,120
the westerman family were the only ones

551
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,640
to see it

552
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,400
wow there you go yeah

553
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,080
i love that i love hearing that and

554
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:39,679
you're right you know there's a gut

555
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,840
feeling in a lot of ufo

556
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,120
investigations uh you know there's

557
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,200
there's many ways to look at a case

558
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:50,480
scientifically uh spiritually even

559
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:54,080
psychologically and then you also have

560
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,760
you know this this just idea of i trust

561
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,000
this person there's no reason for them

562
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,400
to have made this up like you said these

563
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,080
were the types of people you grew up

564
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,159
with these are these are modest humble

565
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,320
people they have nothing to gain by

566
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,159
telling a story like this so then you're

567
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,240
left wondering

568
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,200
this probably happened but what was it

569
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,520
and we may never know and that's

570
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,840
frustrating in some ways and

571
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,080
exciting in others because then like you

572
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,000
said it leads you

573
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,120
to that curiosity of these ufo landings

574
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:29,679
and then boom an entire new door is open

575
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:32,320
for you and hundreds of cases start to

576
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,440
spill in

577
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,120
and that's what i liked about the book

578
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,440
is you kind of you you um

579
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,159
compartmentalize these into decades

580
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,320
which i really liked you know 40s 50s

581
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,640
60s and a lot of us here in the united

582
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,120
states when we think of the modern ufo

583
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,159
era it always begins with kenneth arnold

584
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,240
the flying saucer story the classic

585
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:54,960
story but in your book you actually

586
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,840
start with a lot of cases pre

587
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,320
kenneth arnold that um i was not aware

588
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,080
of and i'm sure a lot of our listeners

589
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,159
are aware of yeah i mean

590
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,640
you know we we always use uh kenneth

591
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,480
arnold is the yardstick but that's when

592
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,640
flying saucers became you know into

593
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,320
popular culture

594
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,159
so there's nothing wrong with that but i

595
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:17,120
i remember again i i moved a few miles

596
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,080
away

597
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,240
and again i did a um

598
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,640
some years later i did a local another

599
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,360
local newspaper piece

600
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:27,039
and a gentleman man the name of john

601
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,080
warren

602
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:31,280
uh contacted me it was an oldish boy

603
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,960
um he retired but he lived nearby

604
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,480
so i went to i went to speak to mr

605
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,480
warren because it was literally you know

606
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,120
a mile or so from where i lived

607
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:43,919
and he recounted in the event back in

608
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:46,880
1942

609
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,600
before kenneth arnold um

610
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,919
obviously it was during wartime the

611
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,320
second world war

612
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,799
mr warren was in the royal air force

613
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,520
and stationed at a place called arieth

614
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,640
ludham

615
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,440
in

616
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,520
norfolk

617
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,039
in the uk

618
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,120
and it was it wasn't he couldn't

619
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:09,039
remember the exact date but he thinks it

620
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:10,480
was may

621
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,360
and

622
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,679
he'd been out to a local

623
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,120
dance

624
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,880
and it was some 12 miles from

625
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,640
the air base

626
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:21,520
and

627
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,880
train

628
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:25,760
back

629
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,840
so there was no other option uh in 1942

630
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,640
but to walk and not only that he was

631
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,320
going to get in trouble

632
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,120
for being late you know

633
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,440
not absent without leave but he was he

634
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,279
was he was going to be in for it if they

635
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,720
found out so

636
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:44,960
he sets off to walk back

637
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,240
he's nearing the the town of london

638
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,840
and the air base

639
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,640
when

640
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,000
he encounters up ahead of him a

641
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,600
a peculiar looking humanoid

642
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,799
uh just stood at the side of the road

643
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:02,400
and

644
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,919
it had a box on its chest

645
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,159
and it was shining green light out of

646
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,159
the top of this box i don't if you ever

647
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,679
did it when you were a youngster

648
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,360
yourself around me you got a

649
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,440
you call it a flashlight we call it a

650
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,520
torch and put it under your chin and the

651
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,440
light all shoots up it makes your face

652
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,000
look funny you know yeah it it was the

653
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,240
early days of of apps that you have now

654
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,080
have on the phone to make you your face

655
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,400
look funny or you just get old and grey

656
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,480
like me and it ends up looking funny

657
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,120
anyway you know but this light was

658
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,760
shining up in his in his face and he

659
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,320
said he had a peculiar grin on his on

660
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,120
its face but behind it

661
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,840
uh there was also a dome-shaped object

662
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,240
that was illuminated as well

663
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,480
and it scared the living daylights out

664
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,039
of him remember this is 1942

665
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,960
you know it's you know the middle of the

666
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,080
war

667
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,159
and although i didn't put it in the book

668
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,840
because he asked me not to write this

669
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,320
but he said had he been armed at the

670
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,240
time had he had his sidearm with him he

671
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,159
would have shot it

672
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,880
because this was war time and he knew

673
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,200
it wasn't anything to do with the raf or

674
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,320
the army so i must be the enemy and he

675
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,159
said he would have shot he would have

676
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,440
shot it

677
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,360
but it didn't do anything he

678
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,880
he he scarfed pretty quickly and looking

679
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,760
luckily for him he managed to get back

680
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,840
into the the barracks

681
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,400
through a uh a window his friend let him

682
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,840
in through a window

683
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:31,520
and he says that you know i told my

684
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,480
friend

685
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:34,880
uh and he was you know

686
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,039
startled by it so in the in the mid

687
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,360
1960s i think it was mr warren had also

688
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,760
reported the sighting to

689
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,159
the british ufo research association so

690
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,159
i managed to access their file and find

691
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:50,720
his letter but it was nice to be able to

692
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,400
speak to him in person about something

693
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,960
that happened priyano and it obviously

694
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,840
still

695
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,360
bothered him because

696
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,360
he contacted me

697
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,440
when he saw me in the local newspaper he

698
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,520
still wanted to talk about it all those

699
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:06,880
years later

700
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,159
and it's just a a you know another

701
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,480
fascinating little landing case that

702
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,640
nobody's ever heard of it's been

703
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,200
languishing in somebody's files

704
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,960
but the good thing was i got to speak to

705
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,120
him in person so you're not just reading

706
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,960
bits of paper you can

707
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,279
you could feel you could feel the the

708
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:28,000
fascination that this this old boy had

709
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,200
and of course

710
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,919
the era that we're talking about it was

711
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,080
you know the wartime and i can honestly

712
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,480
believe him if he would have shot it you

713
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,399
know i can honestly honestly believe

714
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,039
that you know it it will laugh about it

715
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,960
but it sounds the obvious thing to do to

716
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,960
me this is not us therefore it must be

717
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,279
the enemy i'm gonna shoot the damn thing

718
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:50,240
and it's right outside the the raf base

719
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,200
um

720
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,880
where he was uh uh stationed so

721
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,880
you know make of it what you will i mean

722
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,120
it just gives you one example

723
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,200
that if you dig these are the type of

724
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:04,320
things that that come to the surface

725
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,279
wow

726
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,520
yeah that is a fascinating case and you

727
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,159
know this idea of yeah it's a potential

728
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,399
threat especially around a military base

729
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,919
which there were several of those in the

730
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,000
book that you spoke of and that lends a

731
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,760
lot of credibility for a lot of people

732
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,399
who don't you know research ufos like

733
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,960
you and i do on a daily basis when they

734
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,679
hear that military people are witnessing

735
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,320
these pilots people on the ground radar

736
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,039
operators that seems to be what really

737
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,360
catches people's attention well mr

738
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,240
warren was responsible for arming two

739
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,679
squadrons of of uh fighter aircraft uh

740
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,399
arif ludenham so he wasn't just a t-boy

741
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,559
you know he wasn't the colonel either

742
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,640
but he you know he wasn't and like i

743
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,520
said he

744
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,760
he had no he no option but to walk home

745
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:51,440
that night that when she missed the last

746
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,399
train

747
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,520
that was it

748
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,960
it was it was

749
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,000
so it was 12 miles and he said i hadn't

750
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,760
been on the drink this is because there

751
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:01,919
wasn't a lot of it anyway and we didn't

752
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,480
have a lot of money either you know

753
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,880
um i think he'd been in all honesty he'd

754
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,120
been chasing the ladies at the dance but

755
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,919
that's another story you know but

756
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,720
you know

757
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,279
fascinating and it makes you wonder ryan

758
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,600
when you come across cases like this he

759
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,360
makes you think well what others are

760
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,440
there out there that we are totally

761
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,919
unaware of and

762
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,600
i'll give you an example it's not in the

763
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:27,360
book

764
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,480
um

765
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,399
as you mentioned in the introduction i i

766
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,600
was involved in the the alien autopsy

767
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,799
film

768
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:36,559
uh research

769
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,840
and i made a little four part tv series

770
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,760
tv documentary series about it and it

771
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,480
was broadcast last year

772
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,880
and a local gentleman contacted me on

773
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,399
email list i've got something i'd like

774
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,559
to show you philip

775
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:52,240
and um

776
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,039
so

777
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,720
when the lockdown the call with lockdown

778
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,360
had finished he he paid me a visit

779
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,240
and this was a the memoirs

780
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,279
of his wife's grandfather

781
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,000
um like i said this area used to be a

782
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,640
big mock big coal mining area he was

783
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,559
actually um

784
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,520
a mining engineer so not a digger of

785
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,520
coal but he used to design

786
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,600
the lift shafts and the loading gear and

787
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,360
all this kind of thing

788
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,520
and before he died

789
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:23,039
he

790
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:27,120
extensive you know

791
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,000
um

792
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,559
and as a young boy he used to live near

793
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:33,279
manchester which is about you know 40

794
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,120
miles from here not that far and and the

795
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,159
these memoirs were in two parts one was

796
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:42,080
about his life how he

797
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,600
where he grew up

798
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,200
his family

799
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,360
the second part was about his life as a

800
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:48,960
mining engineer and this chap said the

801
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,679
second half is dreadfully boring

802
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:53,600
unless you unless you're heavily into

803
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,120
mayan engineering this is dope but

804
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,120
in the other part when he was nine years

805
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,200
old i believe 809

806
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,440
there is the chapter and it just says

807
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,120
the encounter

808
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,880
and it's the largest chapter in the

809
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,039
whole memoirs he printed these things

810
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,440
out himself and just gave them to family

811
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,440
members so they're only about 10 coppers

812
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,720
ever made

813
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,760
so he talks about an encounter

814
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,240
in 1911

815
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,480
and him and his friend were on the way

816
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,559
to a local park

817
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,559
they had to walk to it you know children

818
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:28,399
didn't get run around in cars in those

819
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,519
days

820
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,399
and

821
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,200
he said we we came to this clearing

822
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,720
and there's this

823
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,640
this thing's on the ground

824
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:37,519
you know

825
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,200
like a cigar shaped thing on the ground

826
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:44,159
and the you know they went up to it it

827
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:45,279
opened up

828
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,880
and there were beings humanoid beings

829
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,039
looked at what we what we'd probably

830
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:52,960
describe as asian

831
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,559
uh wearing colored clothing and even a

832
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,720
a headgear that looked something like a

833
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,320
turban

834
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,559
and they communicated with them and

835
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,080
conversed with them and then off they

836
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,200
went

837
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,480
and

838
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,559
he reported it to his parents when he

839
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,760
got home and

840
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,679
you know they didn't do anything about

841
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,559
it

842
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,279
but this was the largest chapter in this

843
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,039
gentleman's memoirs

844
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,399
wow and it's but nobody knew anything

845
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,559
about it i mean i put this gentleman's

846
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:26,559
name in on google

847
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,919
i think i found one mention of him

848
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,320
you know and that was it nothing to do

849
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,240
with ufos and i managed to get an old

850
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,159
photograph of him

851
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,679
but nothing not uh not a whisper

852
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,320
and this was 9 19 1911 you know the

853
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,399
early part of the 20th century before

854
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,240
the first world war

855
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,840
and it had just been sat

856
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,679
gathering dust you know i was only

857
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,919
disappointed that i didn't get to meet

858
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:54,159
the old boy and speak to him you know in

859
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,440
person

860
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,480
and um this gentleman let me take a a

861
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,039
you know a copy of this this file

862
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,120
uh and i have it but it's not in the

863
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,720
book but i thought i'd mention that

864
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,480
because it's

865
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,640
it's an example we just said you know

866
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,559
what else is lying around out there that

867
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:12,559
we were not aware of

868
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,679
and and here was one again it came about

869
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,640
because i i appeared on tv

870
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,000
and he must have googled me and he

871
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,000
thought he lives up there i'm easy

872
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,159
enough to find you know i'm not i'm not

873
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,480
living in some some hobbit land in a

874
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,720
little round house you know

875
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,120
and i was forever thankful

876
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,799
and i published the story in a couple of

877
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,320
magazines and i sent this gentleman

878
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,159
copies of it it was you know to share

879
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,840
with the family

880
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,760
but very bizarre

881
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,159
very strange but it shows you what what

882
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,320
else may be lying around that we're

883
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,039
unaware of of these strange strange

884
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,559
accounts you know

885
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,039
and make of it what you will i you know

886
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,880
um there's a lot more to the story than

887
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,240
that but you know

888
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,720
hey i can't remember it all off offhand

889
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,399
and b we're we're

890
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,039
we're limited for time anyway but it

891
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:03,760
it's an example that is something that's

892
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,120
only in 10 copies of an old boy's

893
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,679
memoirs and it's you will not find it

894
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:11,440
anywhere else

895
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,200
very interesting again i i like the way

896
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,679
you uh you think about these things

897
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,720
philip of you know how many

898
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:23,359
lost chapters are there to memoirs out

899
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,040
there or uh you know reports that never

900
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,679
made it to an organization or to the faa

901
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,480
or to the local law enforcement you know

902
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,440
that old saying of like you know

903
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,599
95 percent of people have probably seen

904
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,240
something unexplained in the sky but two

905
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:42,960
percent maybe report it somewhere so we

906
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:46,000
can only imagine the untold stories that

907
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,440
are out there so that's really

908
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,200
fascinating well people say to me how

909
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:50,720
how did you find out these things

910
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,919
phillip well i i always say my my my my

911
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,000
mum god rest her soul

912
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,440
she always used to say to me you'll

913
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,880
never get lost

914
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:00,400
so long as you have a tongue in your

915
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:01,520
head

916
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,280
in other words ask just ask and when you

917
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,760
ask the simplest of questions right it's

918
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,200
amazing

919
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,960
of what the answers are that come back

920
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,240
especially when you're dealing with

921
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,000
these things and what things you find i

922
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,440
know i've given you the examples here

923
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,000
where i've been in the local media and

924
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,839
and somebody's contacted me

925
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,440
but a lot of the times we were just

926
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,599
doing the asking you know and putting

927
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,040
ourselves out there and saying have you

928
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:27,040
seen anything if you have come and tell

929
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:28,079
us

930
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,040
hundreds of landings have occurred um

931
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,359
are there any more philip that you find

932
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,680
um extra notable that you'd like to

933
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,880
share with us here throughout the

934
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,880
decades well you you know one of the

935
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:42,960
busiest times

936
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,440
for ufos full stop

937
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,240
was just before i got involved in the uk

938
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,320
i'm talking about it's the the sort of

939
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,720
late 1970s

940
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,079
and um

941
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,599
i think you were i think you mentioned

942
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,680
it anyway there's a an incident that

943
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,040
took place

944
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,359
it was called dec mont woods in

945
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,839
livingston in scotland

946
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,240
and uh it was

947
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:07,520
um

948
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,680
the late 1970s i think it was 1979

949
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,240
and it involved a um a local gentleman

950
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,240
by the name of robert taylor

951
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:18,880
mr taylor was a forestry worker

952
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,839
uh hence it happening in deckmont woods

953
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,079
he set off to go to work uh

954
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,160
from livingston and the woods were up on

955
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,640
a hill you know beyond where he lived in

956
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,920
his truck

957
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,680
with his dog

958
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,320
and uh he was a very down-to-earth

959
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,800
gentleman was it was mr taylor and he's

960
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,359
walking down through these woods

961
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,920
and there's a small clearing

962
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,160
and as it comes to this clearing there

963
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,720
is this thing there so again

964
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,560
sat on the ground

965
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,839
it is

966
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,520
dome shaped

967
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,760
it has what he described as a flange

968
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,680
going around the bottom of it

969
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,760
and on this flange were little pointers

970
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:00,079
sticking up with like a

971
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:01,359
a

972
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,119
of the the old um

973
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,400
world war ii mines they used out at sea

974
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,320
and they literally plopped across the

975
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,880
you could hit them plopping across the

976
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,960
ground because it was muddy as they came

977
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,720
towards him

978
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,960
um he felt a tug

979
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:31,040
on either side of his

980
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:32,560
his trousers

981
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,839
in the middle of his thighs thighs but

982
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,640
outside

983
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,480
there was a high-pitched whistling sound

984
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,800
a smell of sulfur and he was out cold i

985
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,720
mean literally out cold

986
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,720
when he came around

987
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:47,680
you know his dog is doing some assaults

988
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:51,040
and this thing has gone i mean literally

989
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,400
so

990
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,200
he staggered to his his truck

991
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,599
tried to drive it and managed to just

992
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,119
get it into a ditch

993
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,960
so he it wasn't far from to where he

994
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,520
lived so he staggered down home

995
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,359
knocked on the door and his wife's there

996
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,800
and she says what's the matter what's

997
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,920
happening you know he's looking a bit

998
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,240
disheveled a bit dirty and he says i've

999
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:11,839
been attacked

1000
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:14,800
so she phones the police

1001
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,839
you know the police come and he tells

1002
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,760
them and when the police go to the

1003
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,119
location

1004
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,440
it's exactly where he told them to go

1005
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,440
there are these strange marks in the

1006
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,800
ground there's two that look like

1007
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,800
caterpillar marks and some other

1008
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,960
indentations around them

1009
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,599
uh fortunately for the police and and

1010
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,760
ufo investigators

1011
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,320
um it it was cold that night i believe

1012
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,839
he might have had a bit of snow so it

1013
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:41,920
froze the muddy ground

1014
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,280
so these imprints were frozen in place

1015
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,200
and the photographs were taken the

1016
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,560
police even drew a sketch of these marks

1017
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,079
and because

1018
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,160
mr taylor was such an upstanding member

1019
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,920
of the community the police actually

1020
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,200
carried out

1021
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,440
a forensic investigation and it's the

1022
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:01,599
only official

1023
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:04,480
forensic police investigation of a ufo

1024
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:07,599
sighting anywhere in the uk

1025
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:08,400
and

1026
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,079
you know they confirmed the that mr mr

1027
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,320
taylor's trousers were torn where he

1028
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,640
felt these things pulling on him

1029
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,240
went right through

1030
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,720
and these were heavy you know duty work

1031
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,920
trousers

1032
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:23,599
uh they confirmed that they were

1033
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,599
consistent with a upward pulling motion

1034
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,680
and they kind of you know they conducted

1035
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,440
a full report and i you know i have a

1036
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,760
copy of that police report

1037
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:35,760
uh again there was a there's a motorway

1038
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,040
runs nearby from from

1039
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,760
edinburgh to glasgow livingston's kind

1040
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,520
of in the middle of those if you know if

1041
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,760
you sign a picture on a map it's not an

1042
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,359
out of the way place in middle of

1043
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,040
nowhere you know

1044
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,960
and i i was fortunate

1045
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,400
my colleague

1046
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:55,200
malcolm robinson uh from scotland was on

1047
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,480
site within no time at all

1048
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,240
and malcolm has written the definitive

1049
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:02,240
book on this i mean it is a fantastic

1050
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,200
book

1051
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,280
so just look out for that if you're

1052
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:07,760
interested but i went with malcolm

1053
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,880
many years later to interview mr taylor

1054
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,800
and he said this is an interesting

1055
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,640
little story

1056
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,960
he told us the account just as he'd done

1057
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,400
with everybody else and we thanked him

1058
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,000
for the time

1059
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,880
and malcolm and i set off up to deckman

1060
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:25,520
woods and you know the trees have grown

1061
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,640
somewhat in in the years past

1062
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,160
but we found the location and we're

1063
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,480
taking some photographs but it wasn't if

1064
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,119
you didn't know where you were going uh

1065
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,800
ryan he wouldn't have known anything

1066
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,040
about just just trees

1067
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,839
right so i said to malcolm

1068
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,440
that now put a picnic bench there the

1069
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,839
local council put a picnic bench so why

1070
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,839
don't you get a brass plaque made

1071
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:49,920
i just screw it onto the side of the

1072
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,280
picnic bench you know so malcolm went to

1073
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,200
the local council

1074
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,880
with this idea

1075
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,880
and instead of that they put a huge

1076
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,079
great rock

1077
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,480
there with a big plaque on it

1078
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,760
you know

1079
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,040
commemorating the event and

1080
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,720
i think just the other year they've gone

1081
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,119
a stage further now and put sign posters

1082
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,240
and things explained in it you know and

1083
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,079
and not that they're going to get

1084
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:18,079
thousands of tourists like they're doing

1085
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,359
roswell but

1086
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,040
you know there are maps there and it

1087
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,200
will take you to the location and that

1088
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,359
just came as an off the cuff

1089
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,680
remark between malcolm and i and fair

1090
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,079
play to him he malcolm took the idea up

1091
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:31,760
and ran with it and he's done a great

1092
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,960
job but it's again it fascinating case

1093
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,839
was

1094
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,920
you know forensically i have to

1095
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:39,839
emphasize that word forensically

1096
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,280
investigated by the by the police

1097
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,440
and they could find no explanation for

1098
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,480
it you know again he wasn't lying you

1099
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,280
know you know he had no idea one of the

1100
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,520
curious things about this is you know i

1101
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,000
forgot to mention it myself

1102
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,160
um is that when mr taylor is looking at

1103
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,119
this object on the ground

1104
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:04,240
the the dome if you like

1105
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,640
is what part of it was transparent

1106
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,119
but that transparency moved

1107
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,560
didn't stay

1108
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,640
all in one place we're not looking at a

1109
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:17,440
transparent dome without transparency

1110
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,240
moved around the top of this dome

1111
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,119
and and it's i don't you know i don't i

1112
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,040
can't figure that out at all it's very

1113
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,960
puzzling indeed

1114
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:28,319
and um

1115
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,200
but

1116
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,680
there is a lot more involved in the case

1117
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,560
than i've highlighted but uh just look

1118
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,480
you know look for malcolm's book malcolm

1119
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,480
robinson you you'll not be disappointed

1120
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,920
i can assure you

1121
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,920
but it's another fascinating case this

1122
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,720
one has appeared in the newspapers

1123
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,960
it has appeared on television but it's

1124
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:47,920
not

1125
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,040
widely well known like rendell shim or i

1126
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,200
or you won't find anything any mention

1127
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,960
of reynolds from forest in my new book

1128
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,400
at all because

1129
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,400
you know there are countless books about

1130
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,160
it so i i didn't need to write about

1131
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,400
that uh i couldn't have done it justice

1132
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,800
just in in just one chapter

1133
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,720
but um

1134
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,800
but the dickman watch case or livingston

1135
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,599
or robert taylor you know is fascinating

1136
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,079
and again i was glad to meet the manning

1137
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,200
himself

1138
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,960
um i was actually

1139
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,240
um

1140
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,160
researching my first book when i spoke

1141
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,599
to mr taylor uh way back in 1994 i

1142
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,119
co-authored a book called without

1143
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,400
consent

1144
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,400
which dealt with abductions and missing

1145
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,440
time cases again only here in the uk

1146
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,839
nowhere else and there was a period of

1147
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,599
missing time that mr taylor couldn't

1148
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:36,960
account for

1149
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,920
um so that's why i went to interview him

1150
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,079
but he'd never explored it any further

1151
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,560
it was just i don't know you know i was

1152
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,720
out cold i don't know what happened

1153
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,680
you know

1154
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,079
um and i tried to drive my truck and

1155
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,319
ended that ended up in a ditch

1156
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,520
you know

1157
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,160
so but i was glad i was glad i got to

1158
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,720
just to speak to him i really am and and

1159
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,680
he was a

1160
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,640
again

1161
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,560
ryan i know it doesn't mean a lot to a

1162
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,760
lot of people

1163
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,520
but he was such a down-to-earth

1164
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:07,920
gentleman you know it really was he had

1165
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,040
his job his wife his family and his dog

1166
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,720
and that's all he was really interested

1167
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,000
in you know

1168
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,480
and he he was bewildered by the whole

1169
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,560
event he even right up to the day he

1170
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,960
died i believe he was still

1171
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,960
you know had no idea what happened to

1172
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:24,640
him that day

1173
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,599
wow

1174
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,480
again you know posing that question why

1175
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,240
why would someone make something like

1176
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,480
this up there's absolutely nothing to

1177
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,880
gain he didn't want notoriety uh he

1178
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,800
reported it to the only people he

1179
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,560
thought he could and that's the police

1180
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,720
his wife did and that makes sense so

1181
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,119
yeah yeah that is a great feeling i've

1182
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,040
been attacked so if you've been attacked

1183
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:46,560
what do you do

1184
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,520
just the logical thing call the police

1185
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,400
you're right

1186
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,359
yeah i love it um well

1187
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:56,400
and i do want to talk about there is um

1188
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:59,920
this subset in the ufo field uh when it

1189
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,119
comes to landings or close encounters

1190
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,000
where school children are involved and

1191
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,280
that seems to be a really big thing uh

1192
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,280
more cases than i ever thought actually

1193
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,680
existed um and we will get there but

1194
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,480
before we get to that pinnacle case in

1195
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,800
in broadhaven philip are there any other

1196
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,640
cases in the book that you really want

1197
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,200
to share with us now um you have a

1198
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,440
chapter called the x-files which of

1199
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:29,990
i'll go no i'll go back in time to the

1200
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,359
70s again if i may yeah please because

1201
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,359
one of the things i talk about in the

1202
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,400
book is

1203
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,960
the the term that the late alan heineck

1204
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:41,839
came up with and that's high strangeness

1205
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,720
and as far as he was concerned you know

1206
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,680
um

1207
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,400
this

1208
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,040
the stranger these cases were the closer

1209
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,440
you got to the objects then the less

1210
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:53,839
likely is that it's a misidentification

1211
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,720
you know we all know ryan that most ufo

1212
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,160
sightings at the end of the day have a

1213
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,400
conventional explanation but when you're

1214
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,560
up close and personal to these things

1215
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,960
it's it's very difficult to say it was

1216
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,640
an airplane

1217
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,680
or it was a star or planet or whatever

1218
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,079
other excuse even heineken fell foul of

1219
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,079
that didn't it with the swamp gas you

1220
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,520
know and he admitted he got that wrong

1221
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,280
many years later

1222
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,599
but um

1223
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:21,680
there's a place and i can't pronounce it

1224
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,960
correctly so i it seemed wales now the

1225
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,119
welsh language is you know

1226
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,280
uh one-of-a-kind really it's a place

1227
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,280
called maca length

1228
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,040
in in wales

1229
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,720
and it involved a young boy called

1230
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,680
trevor

1231
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,280
you know we've never released his

1232
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,760
surname it happened on

1233
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:42,720
july the 22nd 1975

1234
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,079
and he was with his father

1235
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,480
and they were heading for the coast

1236
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,720
and the beach

1237
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,760
behind the beach was this large hill

1238
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,800
and

1239
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,800
you know trevor being an adventurous

1240
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,520
young man but i'm i'm up here

1241
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,280
so he you know it wasn't anything

1242
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,240
dangerous he scrambled up the rocks

1243
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:06,160
and when he got to the top

1244
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,440
he was

1245
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,160
amazed that there was this

1246
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,640
this dome-shaped object with lights all

1247
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:13,760
around it

1248
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,720
actually there are amongst the rocks and

1249
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,960
and it was done shameless dome was

1250
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,599
transparent

1251
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,480
and what makes it even

1252
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,480
more high strengthens is the creatures

1253
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,920
that he saw in it

1254
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,920
there were two creatures

1255
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,760
that he called

1256
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,280
jelly men

1257
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,400
they were seemed as if they were

1258
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:38,960
you know bubbling away inside them all

1259
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,640
moving this mass moving inside of them

1260
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,640
and

1261
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,440
it's

1262
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,359
it frightened the hell out of him he ran

1263
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,119
down the rocks

1264
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,359
yelled to his father

1265
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,240
and then turned around and ran back up

1266
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,680
and his father thought he was playing

1267
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,280
some kind of game

1268
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,200
but when his father looked up he could

1269
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,640
see trevor

1270
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,640
hiding behind a rock so he's climbed

1271
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,720
these rocks and he's hiding behind it

1272
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,280
and bobbing up just to

1273
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,599
look at these things so he hid behind

1274
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,520
the rock again and want to combat this

1275
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,599
thing as has gone

1276
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,880
you know

1277
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,160
and

1278
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,359
it is totally bizarre

1279
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,599
what trevor

1280
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,240
described i can't find anything in in in

1281
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:26,800
the ufo literature that matches what we

1282
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,079
call jelly men yeah and

1283
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,240
and i had to use it it's you know it's a

1284
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,880
case that the some of us us older

1285
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,880
researchers here in the in the uk are

1286
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,480
aware of but

1287
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,480
by no means everybody

1288
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,480
and it shows you how

1289
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,040
really strange some of these incidents

1290
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,480
are you know this is 1975

1291
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,240
so it's you know there are science

1292
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,240
fiction movies that have been out there

1293
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,040
you know but he hasn't got this from any

1294
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,280
science fiction story that i'm aware of

1295
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,440
that made the headlines in wales you

1296
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:02,480
know as a young lad and it is

1297
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,240
extremely peculiar it really is

1298
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,920
and you know i

1299
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,440
like anything else i don't try and

1300
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,000
indoctrinate with anything that i do

1301
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,359
right i just say here it is

1302
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,280
you can design for yourself you've got a

1303
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,800
brain in your head you don't need me to

1304
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,440
tell you what to do or what to think

1305
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:24,160
make of it what you will but it shows

1306
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,040
again

1307
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,960
the bizarre nature of some of these

1308
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,119
encounters because if we if we believe

1309
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,520
the tabloid press that it's all the same

1310
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,359
no matter where you go

1311
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,880
things that are reported are the little

1312
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,319
grey guys

1313
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:38,720
and the only people that report uh you

1314
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,440
know

1315
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,599
hicks out in the middle of the new new

1316
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:43,920
mexico desert you know and but no

1317
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:46,559
they're not this was on a beach in wales

1318
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,240
you know in some rocks behind the beach

1319
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:51,839
so you know

1320
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,520
yeah yeah rdf base in 1942 right outside

1321
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,599
the raf base you know

1322
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,920
what what i mean it's just

1323
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,319
and it makes me scratch my head you know

1324
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,240
it's some of these cases when you look

1325
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,839
into them

1326
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,760
you think well i can't deny it but it's

1327
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,000
so bizarre and that that's one example

1328
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:11,760
of it that when we talk about high

1329
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,240
strangeness his father didn't see the

1330
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,000
thing but his father saw him hiding

1331
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:17,760
behind the rock because he hid behind

1332
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,800
his rock and he kept popping up

1333
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,040
because at one point this dome started

1334
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,359
to open and that's when he ran

1335
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,559
she thought these things are coming out

1336
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,480
blame him yeah no

1337
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:31,760
but uh

1338
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,559
but there you go i make but again

1339
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,559
people have said well why

1340
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,559
why were things so active

1341
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:41,520
in in the late 1970s in the uk my answer

1342
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:45,200
is i don't know i just do not know but

1343
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:46,720
if you've gone through

1344
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,240
archives and files like i have

1345
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:52,240
not only was it very active in the late

1346
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:53,920
1970s

1347
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,720
these high strangeness cases

1348
00:51:01,030 --> 00:51:00,000
were very active in the late 1970s some

1349
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,040
people

1350
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:03,280
obviously skeptical

1351
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,800
say it's because star wars you know

1352
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,640
close encounters

1353
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,319
but you know i

1354
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,880
for me that that doesn't explain it all

1355
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,119
you know it can't explain it you know

1356
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,800
it's a nice try but no cigar you know

1357
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,280
but there you go so that that case is in

1358
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,440
the book and you can read there's a

1359
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,760
picture of of what was drawn an artist's

1360
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,880
impression

1361
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,720
you know make of it what you will

1362
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,960
yeah well yeah we should mention too in

1363
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,440
the book you have many uh detailed

1364
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:35,119
witness sketches

1365
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,040
and of craft of uh humanoids and that

1366
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,640
alone was very uh interesting to just

1367
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,480
skim through the book and look at the

1368
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:47,520
like you mentioned the bizarre

1369
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,240
uh

1370
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,720
nature of some of these beings a jelly

1371
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,280
bean and yeah you know these beings with

1372
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:54,480
boxes

1373
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,280
like

1374
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,359
the way they're described it truly makes

1375
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,079
you wonder hey how many different

1376
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,480
intelligences are we dealing with how

1377
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,640
many different phenomena how high

1378
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,839
strangeness do these actually get and uh

1379
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,240
what can we say about the witnesses in

1380
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,599
their perception of these things as well

1381
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,359
it's interesting i mean that that's

1382
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,119
that's where the answers lie and those

1383
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:19,920
questions you've just posed you know uh

1384
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,240
i have another kind of a favorite case

1385
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,839
but in in the

1386
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:26,800
late 1970s early 1980s we had a

1387
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:29,359
well-known pop group in the uk called

1388
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:35,910
a black guy called errol brown who was a

1389
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,280
beautiful voice great singer well known

1390
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,319
in 1980 they released a song

1391
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,200
called no doubt about it

1392
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,960
and when you listen to the song it's on

1393
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,960
youtube you'll find it hot chocolate no

1394
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,319
doubt about it they're singing about a

1395
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,040
flying saucer landing and the video they

1396
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,559
made to go with it you know it's all

1397
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,800
spacey and what have you

1398
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,720
and i just thought it was just a pop

1399
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,960
song that somebody had written and made

1400
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,599
up but i found out that it's actually

1401
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,520
based on a real event

1402
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,640
now

1403
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,400
none of the members of the pop group hot

1404
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,559
chocolate saw anything

1405
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,680
but the two people that wrote the song

1406
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,680
actually did and one of them is called

1407
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,119
steve glenn

1408
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,880
and i managed to get older steve when i

1409
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,079
was

1410
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,319
researching the book and speak to him

1411
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,079
he's still active in the in the music

1412
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,160
business he he was a

1413
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,680
a singer himself

1414
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,280
i think he even went to number one in

1415
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,680
japan at one point with one of his songs

1416
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,160
but he was more of a songwriter and he

1417
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,000
wrote a lot of songs for a lot of the

1418
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:38,240
well-known pop stars in the uk in that

1419
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,599
era

1420
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,760
and um

1421
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,680
they're in the south of england and they

1422
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,760
were heading for the recording studio

1423
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,839
one night him and his friend in the car

1424
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:49,520
and they had another pop group following

1425
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,480
along

1426
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:52,800
uh behind them in a van

1427
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,160
when they saw this peculiar thing it's a

1428
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,920
huge great

1429
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,880
thing

1430
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,559
so he pulled over at the side of the

1431
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,760
road

1432
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,599
and they they ducked down behind some

1433
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,480
bushes because this thing came to ground

1434
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,800
and he said he shot out these little

1435
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,559
spheres

1436
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,559
almost as if they were like attacking

1437
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:13,760
them

1438
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,800
so you know they even phoned the police

1439
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:19,040
uh when this and the police came out and

1440
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:20,160
spoke to them

1441
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,280
you know it's too late this thing had

1442
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,880
gone by then

1443
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,760
so steve told me he said uh

1444
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,319
we went home that night and we sat down

1445
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,319
with him and his partner

1446
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,960
and they wrote the song no doubt about

1447
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,280
it in about 10 minutes

1448
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,119
and it was i think it was hot

1449
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,119
chocolate's best-selling single it sold

1450
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,720
zillions of them all over the world

1451
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,640
obviously not in the you know

1452
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,680
so

1453
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:45,200
that is in the book

1454
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,760
there's a pop song inspired by a real

1455
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,799
event

1456
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,200
and in fact i spoke to steve glenn just

1457
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,640
the other day

1458
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,880
uh telling him the books out and

1459
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,960
you know i i needed his address to send

1460
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:01,280
him a copy because i always said i would

1461
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,400
and he gave me his address and and um

1462
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,440
it's he's now got it so

1463
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,720
there you go

1464
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,640
yeah you know pop we even have a pop

1465
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,720
song inspired by a real event i just

1466
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,400
like what a made-up song you know like

1467
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:17,040
like they do ryan yeah no it's based on

1468
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,880
a ufo landing case here in the uk right

1469
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,960
and you know like you said written in 10

1470
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,359
minutes all you need for your lyrics is

1471
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,680
uh your witness testimony of what

1472
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,160
happened and throw some rhythm behind it

1473
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:32,960
and you got a pop song well let's i

1474
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:36,319
guess kind of bookend this with probably

1475
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,520
one of the

1476
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,480
the most well-known ufo landings in the

1477
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,720
uk and this was in wales this was part

1478
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,599
of a

1479
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,319
um what many consider a ufo flap a lot

1480
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,319
of things were happening in wales at the

1481
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:49,680
time but this is probably one of the

1482
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,480
most prominent um that i know of here in

1483
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,480
the states and that is the the broad

1484
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,720
haven incident like i mentioned earlier

1485
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:58,799
school children involved a lot of people

1486
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,160
know the rua zimbabwe case in the 90s

1487
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,119
but this case actually um is a little

1488
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,160
lesser known here so i if you don't mind

1489
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:09,839
could you tell us a little about this

1490
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,880
case and yeah well broadly about it um i

1491
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,040
mean wales itself is a country you know

1492
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,920
it's only a small place uh it's the it's

1493
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,319
the western bit that sticks out from the

1494
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,599
uk

1495
00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:24,079
and embroidery this happened on february

1496
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,160
the 4th

1497
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,319
1977 and as we were saying earlier a lot

1498
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,640
of things seem to be happening in the in

1499
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,520
the 1970s here in the uk

1500
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,680
and it involved

1501
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,200
14 children

1502
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:40,160
14 at school at the local school in

1503
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:41,440
broadhaven

1504
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,240
uh we used to call it playtime but you

1505
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,559
know it was a break at school

1506
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,000
and

1507
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,000
they saw this

1508
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:52,559
a silver metallic

1509
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,920
object you know land outside

1510
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,920
um with it that's some kind of thing on

1511
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,119
the top

1512
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:02,000
and i believe there were

1513
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,440
i think six

1514
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,280
of the children

1515
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,680
actually reported seeing humanoid

1516
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:09,280
figures

1517
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:10,839
and they were silver

1518
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,760
suited and the only sort of facial

1519
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,359
description that these the children

1520
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,799
would describe they said that these

1521
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,040
creatures had big ears

1522
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,599
you know and

1523
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,200
fortunately

1524
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,799
um

1525
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,520
they were all sat down and and drew

1526
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,680
pictures of these things

1527
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:31,599
and and we have some of the original

1528
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,880
drawings uh reproduced in my book

1529
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,480
uh it was

1530
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,119
also reported to the ministry of defense

1531
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,880
here in the uk

1532
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,040
who did indeed look into it not not

1533
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,359
extensively but they did look into it

1534
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,920
the local police were involved

1535
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,160
uh but all the things were happening in

1536
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:52,880
and around wales at the time lots of

1537
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,559
sightings um to such an extent that it

1538
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,559
got this area got nicknamed the

1539
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,720
broadhaven triangle

1540
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,119
so within this specific geographical

1541
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,359
area there was a lot of sightings

1542
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,880
but as i mentioned

1543
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,760
throughout the uk in the late 1970s

1544
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,760
there were a lot of weird and wonderful

1545
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,440
things

1546
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:15,280
and i don't know about you ryan but you

1547
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,640
know i've i've lectured it at schools

1548
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,040
and i i find the the youngsters i

1549
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,640
probably asked the better questions than

1550
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,920
the grown-ups

1551
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,920
and of course most of them

1552
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,480
don't have the vices that we adults

1553
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:30,960
accumulate down the years

1554
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,920
and it can be very honest i mean

1555
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,960
you know

1556
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,040
i take my i've got two daughters and i

1557
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,960
take my youngest daughter when she was

1558
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:39,920
little

1559
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,559
she would be so honest she was blunt you

1560
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,640
know because she said well you always

1561
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,040
told me to tell the truth dad and i said

1562
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,119
yeah and i know sometimes but if

1563
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:50,720
somebody's ugly you don't have to tell

1564
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:55,430
so

1565
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,760
children are the best

1566
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,640
witnesses because they just say as they

1567
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,160
see it you know they haven't got the

1568
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,640
vices that we have and and that is a

1569
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:09,440
prime example here with broadhaven

1570
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,040
and it's sad really that that um

1571
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,440
it's kind of disappeared

1572
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,839
from the public domain it would be i

1573
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,520
haven't been able to do it but i haven't

1574
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:21,200
tried i'm going to be honest

1575
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:23,119
just speak some of to speak to some of

1576
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,640
these children now that they've grown up

1577
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,920
i'm sure

1578
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,960
you know there were only youngsters in

1579
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,720
1977 so i want hopefully some of them

1580
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:32,559
would still be around but it would be

1581
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,839
fascinating

1582
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,319
to speak to them now like i did with the

1583
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,960
children in normanton we found one of

1584
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,720
them was introduced to me you know just

1585
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,559
a couple of years back and she still

1586
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,960
reported the same thing ryan

1587
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,640
and i believe like you mentioned the

1588
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,440
aerial school sighting in the 90s in in

1589
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,119
zimbabwe

1590
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,799
they're all grown up on adults now and

1591
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:55,040
some of those have been interviewed uh

1592
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,480
west hall in australia in 1966

1593
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,960
shane ryan's done a great job with that

1594
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,559
and and

1595
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,480
you know he's spoken to a lot of the

1596
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,799
children now that are adults and even i

1597
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,640
think one of the teachers

1598
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,520
was also involved at that time so

1599
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,400
schoolyard sightings if you like

1600
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,760
are um

1601
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,440
a bit more common than perhaps we would

1602
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,640
imagine

1603
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,480
and um

1604
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,880
and that's just one example is the broad

1605
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,480
haven sightings

1606
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,160
uh and there's lots of drawings that

1607
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,319
went with it i couldn't really have room

1608
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,160
to reproduce them all but i've put a

1609
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:33,280
good example of them in the book

1610
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:36,160
and i think i think observations by

1611
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,599
children

1612
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,040
per se are fascinating but when it comes

1613
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,640
to things like this you know people who

1614
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,400
always say other kids are making it up

1615
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:46,160
you know

1616
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,079
or one child and his mate will come up

1617
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:54,400
with a crazy idea and

1618
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,920
that's how it used to work when i was a

1619
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,240
young man my best friend got up to some

1620
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,920
mischief but it was never the whole

1621
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,240
school you know

1622
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,040
so but yeah i mean you're right you're

1623
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,359
right to flag it up ryan because it is a

1624
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,119
fascinating

1625
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:11,440
story as are the other what you call

1626
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,240
schoolyard sightings as well

1627
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:17,040
it'd be interesting if to see if in the

1628
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,400
coming years there aren't a few more

1629
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,799
that come out of the woodwork are the

1630
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,280
contemporary ones that happens now

1631
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,799
are things that are you know stuck in

1632
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,559
somebody's filing cabinet and forgotten

1633
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,799
about we shall see

1634
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:30,720
we shall see yeah

1635
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:33,599
let's hope hope for the best well um i

1636
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,680
want to ask you this philip

1637
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,440
with a lot of these cases you mentioned

1638
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,760
the high strangeness aspect what these

1639
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,240
humanoids look like um you know the

1640
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,119
craft landing and then taking off but my

1641
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,040
big question when it comes to any of

1642
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,920
these landings that it seems the beings

1643
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,960
come out

1644
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,520
maybe they hang around for a couple

1645
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:55,359
minutes and then leave

1646
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,559
what do you think if you had to guess

1647
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,640
what is the purpose of these landings

1648
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,280
are they surveying the the earth are

1649
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,039
they here to invade

1650
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,960
what do you think the purpose is well if

1651
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:08,880
we come to a conclusion that way we have

1652
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,039
to agree that these are beings from

1653
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,599
another world and i would say

1654
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,760
we don't know as yet what these things

1655
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,960
are

1656
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:18,000
now

1657
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:22,799
i'm a publisher i run a small

1658
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,839
outfit called flying this press

1659
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,680
and the second book i ever published was

1660
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:29,920
by a romanian

1661
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:32,559
scientist called dr dan farkas it's

1662
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,000
simply called ufos over romania

1663
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:37,920
dan's second book

1664
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,640
was his hypotheses

1665
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:43,359
of what ufos are and he calls it hyper

1666
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,280
civilizations

1667
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,520
because it's the very question that the

1668
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:49,280
very thing you just pointed out there

1669
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:52,480
that that puzzled dan more than anything

1670
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:53,760
is

1671
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,680
that he calls them the euphonius

1672
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:59,839
do stupid things

1673
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:02,160
you know they come they fiddle around

1674
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,520
and they're gone

1675
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,520
you know yeah leaving leaving the poor

1676
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,520
bemused witnesses behind scratching

1677
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:09,039
their heads

1678
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,319
and

1679
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,240
what he his

1680
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,599
i'm not saying he's right or wrong i'm

1681
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,440
not saying i agree with him but it made

1682
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,520
me think he said

1683
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,200
he honestly believes we are being

1684
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,000
visited by an intelligence not of this

1685
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,000
earth

1686
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,160
where it comes from how it gets here

1687
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,160
what no idea

1688
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,400
but on the evolutionary scale he

1689
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:32,640
estimates that it's not a few thousand

1690
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,200
years in advance of us it's actually

1691
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,000
millions of years in advance

1692
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,720
and no matter how hard you know we

1693
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:42,480
humans try

1694
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,599
we're simply not able to understand it

1695
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,039
we're not high enough up the

1696
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,599
evolutionary ladder yet to figure it out

1697
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:51,520
and it gives an idea he says you know

1698
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,839
you check a flat screen television

1699
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,400
and stick it in an ounce nest

1700
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,880
now the answer know it's there

1701
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,799
they'll crawl all over it maybe some of

1702
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,039
the soldier ants might even attack it

1703
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,680
but never in a million years will they

1704
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:07,520
be able to figure out

1705
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:10,160
what the hell it is what it's made of

1706
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:13,440
and what its purpose is so maybe on that

1707
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,920
scale we are the evolutionary ants you

1708
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:16,799
know

1709
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,119
that is the difference between us

1710
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:21,359
and and of course that's one of the

1711
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,920
parameters in the drake equation you

1712
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:25,440
know you know the astronomer drake and

1713
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,280
about the the possibility of life

1714
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:29,760
elsewhere in in the universe and one of

1715
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,280
them is the the age of civilizations

1716
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:34,799
that's that's one of the things that

1717
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,160
make up the drake equation now we as as

1718
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,319
a species never mind a civilization we

1719
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,400
have us as a species

1720
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,240
i've only been around for you know in

1721
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,079
the blink of an eye the dinosaurs ruled

1722
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,400
the earth for millions of years

1723
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,160
before they were wiped out you know

1724
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:52,079
mankind is you know

1725
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,599
we haven't been here for two minutes

1726
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,960
really

1727
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,720
so you imagine

1728
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,240
let's assume that we don't wipe

1729
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,720
ourselves out one way or another that

1730
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,119
mankind survives for

1731
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:06,240
the next billion years

1732
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,920
what will we look like what will our

1733
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:09,760
technology be i mean it's

1734
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,680
forget star trek well beyond all that

1735
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,599
you know you look what we've done since

1736
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,160
the what the the wright brothers first

1737
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,920
flew at kitty hawk

1738
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:20,079
you know within within within a

1739
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,520
generation

1740
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,359
we went from flying a kitty hawk to

1741
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:25,920
landing on the moon

1742
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:28,319
so you know you stick a billion years on

1743
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,079
on the top of that i just think what

1744
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,480
will be like technology and it says

1745
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,559
there may be a civilization or

1746
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,039
civilizations out there

1747
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,160
already at that point that they evolved

1748
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:42,000
or were created whichever way you want

1749
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,119
to believe

1750
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:45,520
you know a billion years ago and they've

1751
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,520
stumbled across us

1752
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,440
you know

1753
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,200
swirl swarming about on this little

1754
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,280
planet you know

1755
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,799
and

1756
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,640
it's shown an interest but we're too

1757
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,799
dumb to figure out what it is

1758
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,640
and it makes you wonder for example you

1759
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,559
look you can also look at the the next

1760
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,480
most intelligent creature on earth is

1761
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,880
the dolphin

1762
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,319
and

1763
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:09,920
scientists believe that the dolphins

1764
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,079
have a rudimentary rudimentary language

1765
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,920
but yet we can't say hello flipper how

1766
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:17,280
are you doing why do you feel today

1767
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,960
we'll teach you to jump up and catch a

1768
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:19,920
fish

1769
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:20,880
you know

1770
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,200
we can't converse with them

1771
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:24,960
you know and what do the so we don't

1772
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:27,200
know when they look about the water and

1773
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,280
they see us what they what do they think

1774
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,280
i mean they're self-aware

1775
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,280
you know i think therefore i am the

1776
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:35,520
dolphins are self-aware

1777
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,119
um what do they think about us

1778
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:41,280
when they're looking up out of the water

1779
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:45,599
you know but imagine that in a in a

1780
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:47,680
expand that between us and another

1781
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:50,000
civilization elsewhere

1782
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,000
so i don't know but it just made me

1783
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:54,480
think it really did make me think

1784
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:57,680
and um because if you think about it

1785
01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:59,920
if we if you and i were astronauts and

1786
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,319
we landed on a planet and we found

1787
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:05,119
another civilization another life form

1788
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,799
we wouldn't just piddle around and then

1789
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,480
leave it

1790
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:09,440
you know

1791
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,880
i'm out of there

1792
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:12,319
you know

1793
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,520
good point yeah but it's a good analogy

1794
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,920
yeah yeah it's it's just it's just food

1795
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,280
for thought

1796
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,760
and all i would say is to anyone you

1797
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:24,960
know the information is out there just

1798
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:27,599
pick it up have a look at it and

1799
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,880
draw your own conclusions you know and

1800
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,960
i think you know people like me and my

1801
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:34,720
colleagues one of the things

1802
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:37,119
our purpose is to record

1803
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:39,039
this information though that hopefully

1804
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,799
somebody somewhere will be able to make

1805
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:42,880
sense of it all it's a bit like the

1806
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,200
early astronomers

1807
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,880
you know they were recording things

1808
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,559
people saying i don't know what this is

1809
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,559
you know for example

1810
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,280
you know i think it was 150 years ago

1811
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,400
stones couldn't fall from the skies you

1812
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,160
look up into the sky ryan there's no

1813
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,079
stones there is there's clouds

1814
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:02,240
and rainbows but i think there was an

1815
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,440
event

1816
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,680
in the early part of the

1817
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,920
19th century in france

1818
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,000
when a lot of stones did fall from the

1819
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,880
sky and it forced the astronomers to

1820
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,200
admit yes we do know they fall from the

1821
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:16,960
sky but we just don't know what the hell

1822
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,400
they are anyway so maybe in ufological

1823
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:22,960
terms we're at that point now we we know

1824
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,759
that ufos exist we know there is a ufo

1825
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:27,920
phenomena

1826
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,960
but

1827
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:30,000
you know

1828
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,359
we've got one of those rocks that's

1829
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,880
formed from the sky we've finally

1830
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,400
admitted it but we don't know what their

1831
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:36,719
they come from what it is what it's made

1832
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:39,759
of what its purposes etc etc etc i may

1833
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:41,839
be totally wrong as well of course but

1834
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,120
it's it's just it's just an idea

1835
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,000
i no i love that you're building off of

1836
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:50,880
what we can now accept and uh

1837
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,839
hopefully globally uh

1838
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,920
begin to understand that yes there is a

1839
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,839
phenomena you know here in the united

1840
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,719
states our government has said yes ufos

1841
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:03,359
exist now it's a million questions that

1842
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,279
come after that like you said

1843
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:09,040
our own ministry defense have always

1844
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,400
admitted

1845
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,640
always you go back through the the the

1846
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,560
mod files have always admitted there are

1847
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,319
things in the skies that they can't

1848
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,759
explain

1849
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,520
but then they put a caveat on that we

1850
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:21,600
didn't find you know there's no threat

1851
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:24,080
to the air defense of the uk's therefore

1852
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,520
we're not interested

1853
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:28,080
and you know but they've always admitted

1854
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,520
those things in the sky they can't

1855
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:32,000
explain it's nothing new

1856
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,520
yeah very good point well um speaking of

1857
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:36,960
new philip

1858
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,080
what can new people who uh

1859
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:42,880
you know might have one of these close

1860
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:46,000
encounters or see a craft landing what

1861
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:47,839
advice would you give to people like

1862
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,719
this um if this does happen to them if

1863
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:53,199
these things are truly happening yeah

1864
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,920
well

1865
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,760
i would i would say you know by all

1866
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,280
means report it

1867
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:59,360
you know but a lot of there's a lot of

1868
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:01,120
different channels now where you can

1869
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,199
report things in confidence if required

1870
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,520
a lot of the local ufo groups that used

1871
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,760
to be here in the uk have disappeared

1872
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,440
but they're being replaced by other

1873
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:12,880
online

1874
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:15,199
assets where you can report things again

1875
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:16,640
in confidence

1876
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,080
it is vital that you know we we add

1877
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,920
the information to the the pool of

1878
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,159
knowledge that we that we already have

1879
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,159
but think about it carefully

1880
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,199
you know speak to family members first

1881
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,000
you know if it's something so bizarre so

1882
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,760
frightening you may wish to report it to

1883
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:36,560
the local authorities even the police

1884
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,280
here are still duty-bound to investigate

1885
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:41,600
and i mentioned there has been one

1886
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:44,960
full forensic investigation because of

1887
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,440
the gentleman in question uh he was a

1888
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,679
well-known member of the local community

1889
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,440
and that was you know in livingston in

1890
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,800
scotland

1891
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,120
and we we know there are

1892
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,600
lots of independent ufo researchers as

1893
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:58,800
well so

1894
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,520
you're able to do your homework like

1895
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,840
you couldn't do when i first started

1896
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:06,000
you can google somebody's name you can

1897
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,440
have a look you can see what they've

1898
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,520
worked on you're thinking that might be

1899
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,480
the right person for me or or not uh

1900
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:13,679
that is still

1901
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,640
ufo organizations like mufon

1902
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:18,480
and others in other different countries

1903
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:19,679
of course

1904
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,800
and um i would say you know step forward

1905
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,719
you don't have to go public

1906
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:27,040
but by all means share what information

1907
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:28,239
you have

1908
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,760
with ufo research it it can it could be

1909
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,920
another piece of the of the jigsaw

1910
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,760
puzzle that you're adding who you never

1911
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:36,560
know

1912
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:37,440
yeah

1913
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,480
right

1914
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,280
the more people who come forward uh the

1915
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:45,840
more we normalize this and the more data

1916
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,880
we can add to this growing mystery and

1917
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:49,920
maybe

1918
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,560
not all of it but hey like you said i'd

1919
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,640
rather have half the puzzle than no

1920
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:59,199
puzzle at all at least in my lifetime

1921
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:00,320
yeah

1922
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,000
to kind of wrap things up here phillip

1923
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:06,000
um you know

1924
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:07,840
landings is one thing

1925
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,960
abductions is an entirely different

1926
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,280
story it's just elevated to the

1927
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,080
umpteenth level and i know you have done

1928
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:18,159
a lot of research into a case here in

1929
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:20,080
the united states and that is the

1930
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:23,280
pascagoula incident um several books

1931
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,080
that you've published on that and um

1932
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,400
it's a developing story i know you had a

1933
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,080
breaking story recently of another

1934
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,120
witness who came forward um and whatnot

1935
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,679
but yeah would you mind teasing us a

1936
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,239
little of what we can expect yeah

1937
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,640
i mean i got involved in the pascagoula

1938
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:42,880
case it involved charles hickson who was

1939
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:46,239
42 and calvin parker who was almost 19

1940
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,679
and it was october the 11th 1973. calvin

1941
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:52,080
had moved out to to work with charlie in

1942
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:53,360
the shipyard

1943
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:56,320
he just got engaged wanted a regular job

1944
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:57,920
and even though there was an age

1945
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,159
difference the one thing these two guys

1946
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:02,719
shared was their love of fishing so

1947
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,840
literally calvin's first day at work

1948
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,760
they're coming home he's driving charlie

1949
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,360
says you want to want to go fishing

1950
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,239
tonight yeah so they got the gear

1951
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,400
stopped off bought some bait

1952
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:16,239
and they drove to the pascagoula river

1953
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:17,679
in mississippi

1954
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,600
as they're driving into it this place is

1955
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,679
not out of the way so it's not in the

1956
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:23,360
middle of nowhere it's like some swamp

1957
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,239
land

1958
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:27,040
you can drive up to it calvin passes a

1959
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,719
no entry sign

1960
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,560
and he says to charlie you know i don't

1961
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,640
what about that i said i take no notice

1962
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:34,640
so they park the car up they drive past

1963
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,640
another car that's parked up

1964
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:38,960
they try one spot it's got loads of

1965
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:41,679
flies biting them and no fish so they

1966
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,040
they try an old abandoned um

1967
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,800
pierre there used to be a shipyard

1968
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,320
there's an old pier

1969
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,400
sort of standing on there

1970
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,320
and calvin's got his

1971
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,320
cast his rod he's lying

1972
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,040
he's looking out

1973
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,360
and you know i i've often wondered what

1974
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,040
fishermen think about when they stood

1975
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,040
there not catching any fish you know

1976
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,800
calvin was looking at this ship that was

1977
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,400
going out wondering why how the hell is

1978
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:08,080
something like that you know how does it

1979
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,280
float

1980
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,040
and then behind him

1981
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,040
came these blue lights

1982
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,960
and they sparkled across the river and

1983
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,960
he thought oh no

1984
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,800
i knew we shouldn't have ignored the no

1985
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,560
entry sign it's the police we're going

1986
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,960
to spend the night in jail

1987
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,199
so he turns around and and you notice

1988
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:27,120
that charlie's turning around about the

1989
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,640
same time as him

1990
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,719
of course it's not the place

1991
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,159
that is this

1992
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:34,159
uh what we call a rugby ball an

1993
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:37,120
oval-shaped object descending

1994
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:38,000
uh

1995
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:40,159
it's got two lights at

1996
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,199
one end

1997
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,280
and it stops about two feet off the

1998
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:44,400
ground

1999
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:46,000
and it's this thing that's giving off

2000
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,520
the blue light

2001
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:49,360
on the right hand side this opening

2002
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:50,400
appears

2003
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,199
and

2004
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,360
the light is even more intense coming

2005
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:55,520
out of it

2006
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,640
and these three strange humanoid

2007
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,600
beings again float out of this thing

2008
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:03,040
they don't touch the ground they're

2009
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:03,920
about

2010
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,480
i know 18 inches off the ground

2011
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,000
their legs are stuck together so the

2012
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:10,960
legs don't move they've got long arms

2013
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,159
they're grey wrinkly skin creatures with

2014
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,400
mitten or crab like pink you know

2015
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,560
appendages on their hands

2016
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,840
they have

2017
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,920
a protrusion sticking out of every each

2018
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:24,239
side of the head and one out the front

2019
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,520
two of them grab

2020
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,239
charlie one grabs calvin

2021
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:30,719
take them towards this thing

2022
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,000
and both charlie and calvin describe

2023
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:36,320
you know the interior of it as there's

2024
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,920
nothing really there um calvin describes

2025
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:41,280
it as

2026
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,320
um

2027
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,560
the light comes out of the paint

2028
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:46,400
you know there's no light fittings no

2029
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:49,840
bulbs no tubes it's just the walls

2030
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:53,360
illuminate this dazzling blue light

2031
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,520
they're both placed in different parts

2032
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,280
of this thing so they lose contact with

2033
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:59,040
each other i'm cutting a long story

2034
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,320
short here ryan

2035
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,239
something comes down out of the ceiling

2036
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,960
and whirls around calvin a similar thing

2037
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,199
happened to charlie

2038
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,440
calvin also sees another creature who

2039
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,600
comes up to him that looks

2040
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,440
almost human

2041
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:15,920
uh but it's a female

2042
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,159
um but the the middle fingers of these

2043
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:20,320
female creatures along and she scratches

2044
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:21,840
calvin and there's another bit of an

2045
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:23,360
altercation

2046
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:26,159
they're then placed back out on the pier

2047
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,520
and this thing is

2048
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:29,040
it's gone

2049
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,400
um

2050
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,560
they at first decide not to tell anybody

2051
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,640
because they say i think we're nuts

2052
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:36,400
when they get back to calvin's car which

2053
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,080
was brand new

2054
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:40,480
uh the the the glass falls out of the

2055
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:44,000
passenger side window it won't start

2056
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:45,360
takes them quite a while to get it

2057
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,920
started and on route home there

2058
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,480
charlie has a change of heart says no we

2059
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:52,239
better tell somebody this could be an

2060
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,360
invasion

2061
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,640
what if they come back what if it

2062
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:56,560
happens for somebody else

2063
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,520
um

2064
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,199
so they're pulling at a local store and

2065
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,440
use the the pay phone

2066
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,840
their first phone kiesler air force base

2067
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,199
which is nearby

2068
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:07,679
and they say we're not interested

2069
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,719
you know

2070
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:10,560
ring the authorities so they they ring

2071
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:12,080
the police

2072
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:15,840
and escort them into

2073
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,080
into the sheriff's department where

2074
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:20,080
they're both interviewed

2075
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:22,000
uh separately

2076
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:25,760
by sheriff fred diamond and his deputies

2077
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,120
and then they both put in a room

2078
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,199
together and there's a desk there and

2079
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,440
unbeknown to charlie and calvin in this

2080
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,159
desk is a tape recorder plane

2081
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,760
the police think we'll get him now we'll

2082
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:37,360
leave him for five or ten minutes and

2083
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,400
we'll you know so they do the

2084
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,320
uh a deputy comes and retrieves

2085
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,480
something out of the desk these two guys

2086
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,400
don't know what he's doing and it's the

2087
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,480
tape and they play it back calvin's

2088
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,480
going out of his mind he's almost

2089
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,480
praying you know they're talking about

2090
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,560
what had happened to them so this became

2091
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:56,560
known as the secret tape

2092
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:57,520
you know

2093
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:58,640
and

2094
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,360
somehow the story got out the next day

2095
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,159
the press ascended on the on the place

2096
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,320
charlie and calvin were taken to

2097
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:08,400
hospital to be checked

2098
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,199
uh they were then ironically

2099
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:13,679
taken to kiesl air force base

2100
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,440
to be checked for to be checked for

2101
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,120
radiation

2102
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:19,280
and and that proved zero but they said

2103
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:21,920
well while you're here gentlemen only

2104
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:24,840
tells you story you know

2105
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,400
um you know we have the police tape

2106
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,080
there was no recording done at kiesler

2107
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,239
but there was a stenographer so we have

2108
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,080
a transcript of what everything that

2109
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,920
happened at kiesler everybody that was

2110
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:37,440
there

2111
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:40,159
and and this story made worldwide news

2112
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,320
charlie dealt with it pretty well calvin

2113
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:44,000
didn't want anything to do with it when

2114
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,400
he went back home a couple of weeks

2115
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:48,560
later he had a bit of a breakdown

2116
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:49,440
and

2117
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,960
didn't really talk much about he didn't

2118
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:53,280
want to talk about it for years

2119
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,320
now in 1983 charles hickson along with a

2120
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:58,640
chap called william mendes published a

2121
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,239
book called ufo contact of pascagoula

2122
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,960
charlie died in 2011

2123
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:06,320
so

2124
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:07,920
just a couple of years back i got the

2125
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,440
rights to republish charlie's book

2126
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:12,800
and i thought

2127
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:15,360
i know he's deceased but i think

2128
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,360
calvin's still around

2129
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:19,679
maybe i can get an interview with him

2130
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,080
so it took me a while but i i finally

2131
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,239
found him and he was very nice once

2132
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:26,480
booked him on the phone very polite but

2133
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,199
didn't really say an awful lot you know

2134
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:31,199
unbeknown to me

2135
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,520
his wife calvin's wife wayne

2136
01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:35,440
only a few weeks beforehand they've been

2137
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:36,310
to a um

2138
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:37,520
[Music]

2139
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,640
a funeral

2140
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,800
and calvin had signed the the book

2141
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,800
coming out and people were pointing at

2142
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,080
it and pointing at him you know they

2143
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,000
knew it was then

2144
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,800
she said why don't you write a dumb book

2145
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,560
so i said well if you want to do it i'll

2146
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:52,640
help you with it so we did we wrote up

2147
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,840
two books

2148
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,320
and once calvin came out of the woodwork

2149
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:58,239
then so does

2150
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:01,760
and he um he did a small television

2151
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:04,880
piece for for the local tv station they

2152
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:06,960
made like a you know like a mini eight

2153
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:09,520
minute documentary ryan

2154
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:11,040
i went out

2155
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:13,920
and it ended up on youtube

2156
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,960
and one of the comments on it

2157
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,600
um said my mum and dad were on the

2158
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,080
opposite side of the river that night

2159
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,719
and they too saw the ufo

2160
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,199
oh wow although holy ch

2161
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:29,280
well words to that effect anyway

2162
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,239
you know so i got this lady's name i

2163
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,239
found her on social media

2164
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:37,199
i contacted her explained who i was and

2165
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:39,120
i said could we possibly speak to your

2166
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,760
mom and dad please ask them first

2167
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:43,040
so they did

2168
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,040
this turned out to be mr and mrs blair

2169
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:46,800
they were living in just down the road

2170
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:47,679
but in

2171
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,719
over the border in alabama at the time

2172
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:52,880
and um

2173
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,840
so we spoke to them

2174
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,760
and what they told us was yes indeed

2175
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,199
they were on the opposite side of the

2176
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,800
river that night mr blair worked in the

2177
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:02,880
fishing industry and he was waiting for

2178
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:06,239
a boat to come in check him out to work

2179
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,920
and it was late

2180
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:10,159
so he was not a happy man

2181
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,520
you know

2182
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,840
and she's mrs blessed but on this little

2183
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,880
pier

2184
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,159
and opposite

2185
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,480
i could see this blue thing

2186
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:21,360
and it's moving around as if it's either

2187
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,880
looking for something or it doesn't know

2188
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:25,120
where it's going

2189
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,400
and

2190
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,560
then the boat comes in

2191
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:30,480
so mr blair saw this as well so they're

2192
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,480
walking up the pier

2193
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,400
and she says there's this almighty

2194
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,320
splash

2195
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:38,800
in the river next to me

2196
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:41,679
she's gonna look down she says

2197
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,199
there's a gray man in the water

2198
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,800
and it went under the water and never

2199
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,880
came back up

2200
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:51,120
mr blair said

2201
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:53,199
after some reluctance he eventually told

2202
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:55,040
me he says well i saw the he didn't call

2203
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:57,280
it a grey man he called it the grey

2204
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,719
humanoid

2205
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:00,560
he says i saw it come back up out of the

2206
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:02,239
water because he was further along the

2207
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:03,360
pier

2208
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:07,120
and it was heading back across the water

2209
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,320
and then

2210
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:10,800
he'd never spoken about this ever

2211
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,000
they they told her their two daughters

2212
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:15,920
one of their daughters left that message

2213
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:18,719
on on youtube

2214
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,600
which led him to it now mrs blase also

2215
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,199
said

2216
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,199
you know phillip i saw charlie and

2217
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,120
calvin on the tv you know if it was the

2218
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,600
next day or the day after

2219
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,120
and she said i often wondered if

2220
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:33,520
something like that didn't happen to us

2221
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,679
she had these vague recollections of

2222
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,600
seeing something out of her peripheral

2223
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,800
vision

2224
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,719
and she couldn't quite make it out it's

2225
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,880
like you stared at you your screen now

2226
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:44,800
ryan you know you get this bit is

2227
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,400
blurred out here

2228
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:49,520
anyway about a year later mr blair took

2229
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:50,560
ill

2230
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,600
and he was

2231
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,120
in the hospital

2232
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:55,600
for a an operation and he wasn't it was

2233
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:59,280
50 50 whether it was gonna make it

2234
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,480
and god bless him he insisted

2235
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,639
that his his wife

2236
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,960
phone me on the mobile phone

2237
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:08,239
and he said

2238
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,360
we would abduct it as well phillip

2239
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,920
and he told start to tell his wife the

2240
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:15,600
whole story

2241
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,120
thankfully he did survive the operation

2242
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:21,040
and he told his wife the whole she was

2243
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,360
as mad as hell with him because he'd

2244
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,199
never told anybody

2245
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,760
she just had these vague memories you

2246
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:30,159
know these vague little recollections

2247
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,440
and he told us the whole story sadly you

2248
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:35,520
know a few months down the line mr blair

2249
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,760
passed away so it was almost like

2250
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,840
a deathbed confession

2251
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,600
and we even have a little film of him

2252
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,679
filmed on his wife's mobile phone he

2253
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,080
insisted on doing her doing that

2254
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,880
and he's telling us the story

2255
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:50,159
so

2256
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:51,760
just recently and you're the first to

2257
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:52,800
know this

2258
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:55,920
mrs blair underwent regressive hypnosis

2259
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,159
with a professional hypnotherapist and

2260
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:00,480
she has recounted the whole story with a

2261
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,440
whole lot more calvin had previously

2262
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:05,280
been under hypnosis

2263
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:08,880
uh well kathleen martin in 2019

2264
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,679
in 1993 calvin had another missing time

2265
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,239
experience so he went under hypnosis

2266
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:17,360
with none other than bud hopkins

2267
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,040
now

2268
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,199
calvin also went under hypnosis again

2269
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,120
recently we just had the opportunity so

2270
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,800
we thought well we'll do it while we we

2271
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:26,400
can

2272
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,440
when he's under hypnosis

2273
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:31,360
he says i'm lying on this

2274
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,719
he calls it a bench or a bed it's just a

2275
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,480
a glass top thing you know what the hell

2276
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:38,000
it is

2277
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:41,199
these creatures are there and he says

2278
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,320
they take my shoes and socks off and he

2279
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,000
said they're doing something with me

2280
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:48,719
foot and it hurts

2281
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,679
and he's describing you know and

2282
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,199
something dripping out of his mouth he's

2283
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:55,040
not sure if it's blood or whatever he

2284
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:56,560
says it almost feels it's if they're

2285
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,320
sticking something in his foot and it's

2286
01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:00,320
coming out his mouth he's not saying

2287
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,760
that didn't happen it just gave him that

2288
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:03,280
impression

2289
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,239
now

2290
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:06,320
when i when i met calvin for the first

2291
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:09,600
time and we decided to write his book

2292
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:11,360
i said to you have you got any

2293
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,920
photographs documents anything this is

2294
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,080
known for them got anything

2295
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,840
everything was swept away in hurricane

2296
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,400
katrina lost everything that's why we

2297
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:22,320
can't find old photographs of calvin

2298
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,120
when i'm a little they're all gone

2299
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:26,880
so one of the things i said about dory

2300
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:29,679
while he's writing i was to

2301
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:32,000
pester the living daylights out of ufo

2302
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,000
groups and researchers for any

2303
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,560
information or files they had about the

2304
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,080
case

2305
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:39,679
now highneck had been involved right

2306
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:41,679
from day one he was he was there within

2307
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,560
two days was dr james harder so

2308
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,159
it just made sense i started at the

2309
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,400
center for ufo studies and i asked them

2310
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:50,000
have you got anything on the pascagoula

2311
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:53,600
case they sent me a file pdf file

2312
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,120
most of it was

2313
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:57,760
you know newspaper cuttings

2314
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:01,440
however right in the middle of it

2315
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,920
there is a type written one page type

2316
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:05,440
written document so this is done on an

2317
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:07,120
old typewriter

2318
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,440
and you can tell it has because

2319
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,199
the date's been put on it wrong and

2320
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:13,120
they've typed over it

2321
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:17,040
so it's dated the 13th of october 1973

2322
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:18,880
so it's two days

2323
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,280
after the encounter

2324
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,280
and it describes

2325
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:25,600
giving both charlie and calvin a

2326
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:28,159
physical examination

2327
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,390
and he said that there were inverted

2328
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:36,639
commerce puncture wounds

2329
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:40,080
in charlie hixson's arm

2330
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:42,880
and puncture wounds in calvin parker's

2331
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,709
and those photographs enclosed

2332
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:50,880
unfortunately

2333
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,719
there were no photographs

2334
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,320
we hadn't

2335
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:56,239
finished here

2336
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,080
we had this document

2337
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,080
so i said to calvin who examined you

2338
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,480
says it was dr james harder who came

2339
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,199
down it wasn't a medical doctor he just

2340
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:07,360
said let's strip off and have a look

2341
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,400
you know

2342
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,719
and they sit down to their underwear and

2343
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:12,560
that's mentioned in this document you

2344
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:13,199
know

2345
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,800
that their

2346
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:16,320
their

2347
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,159
england you know wasn't was the only

2348
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:22,800
thing that he didn't look at

2349
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,239
so about a year later

2350
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,000
uh the same chapter at the center for

2351
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,480
ufo studies who sent me this file sent

2352
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:32,560
me an email and he said phillip

2353
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:34,159
i've been going through some old files

2354
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,360
today

2355
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,920
i assume you've got these but i thought

2356
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,520
i'd send them anyway i wasn't looking

2357
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,760
for these by the way i just came across

2358
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:42,719
them

2359
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:46,880
these were the photographs to go with

2360
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,679
that

2361
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,679
document

2362
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,159
and there's a photograph of charlie

2363
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,239
ixen's harm

2364
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,800
with these marks on it

2365
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,239
and then you turn the photo over it

2366
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:00,080
tells you charles 6 and 11th of october

2367
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:03,520
1973 and there's calvin parker's foot

2368
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:06,159
with these three marks underneath his

2369
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:07,840
foot and again on the back of the

2370
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:10,960
photograph is his name and the date

2371
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:13,280
so you hear you have calvin recounting

2372
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,639
its story

2373
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,639
they all they always said right from the

2374
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,960
beginning that they they had some cat

2375
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:21,280
they felt like they've been injected

2376
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:22,560
see they have

2377
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:23,920
you know charlie hickson's arm with

2378
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:26,159
these marks on it they're fresh you can

2379
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:27,360
see that

2380
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,560
and lo and behold he's you've got calvin

2381
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,639
saying they've taken my shoes and socks

2382
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:34,159
off and they've stuck something in my

2383
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:37,360
foot and it hurts

2384
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,280
and here you have a written description

2385
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:41,440
of these and he puts in inverted commas

2386
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,719
puncture wounds and then a year later

2387
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,320
the photographs

2388
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:48,880
appear as well

2389
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:51,920
wow so you know each if you put each

2390
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,679
thing separately doesn't mean a lot but

2391
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:55,760
when you put it all together

2392
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,960
you think holy smally you know

2393
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:00,719
and we've had other witnesses come

2394
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,560
forward ryan again

2395
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:03,840
just to be

2396
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,719
brief

2397
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:06,960
again another gentleman calvin was doing

2398
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:10,719
a book signing in in pasagola and this

2399
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,080
gentleman

2400
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:14,560
elderly looking came up bought a book

2401
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,040
said thank you very much by the way i

2402
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:19,840
saw the ufo that night and he walked

2403
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:22,320
away you know

2404
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:23,760
calvin didn't get his name but

2405
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,520
fortunately somebody was taking

2406
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,920
photographs so we got a photo of him

2407
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,520
buying the book

2408
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,400
so again i put it on social media

2409
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:34,320
and and um

2410
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:36,159
a lady contacted me she says i know that

2411
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:37,280
is

2412
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,280
uh i said well can you ask him if we can

2413
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,040
speak to him she come back said yeah

2414
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:43,360
he'll speak to you the chap called louis

2415
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,760
lee mr lewis lee

2416
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,600
and he worked in the shipyard on the

2417
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:49,360
other side of the river says he was a

2418
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:50,960
crane driver

2419
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:52,960
he says that night philip i got into my

2420
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,080
cab this is the cab's about 10 or 12

2421
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:57,920
feet off the ground

2422
01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,920
and he says as soon as i got in the cab

2423
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,480
i could see this thing over the river

2424
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:04,320
and he said you've never seen anything

2425
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,520
like it

2426
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,679
i can't do a mississippi accent i'm

2427
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,040
sorry ryan i'm

2428
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:11,840
you know fearing that he says it's the

2429
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:15,360
dandiest thing you've ever seen

2430
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:16,960
and he's watching it

2431
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:18,719
and watching it and then his friend

2432
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,040
shouts him because he's got something on

2433
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:23,280
the end of his crane like you know what

2434
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:25,360
are you doing

2435
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,440
so he turned away to see to what to his

2436
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:29,040
job money so when i turned back it was

2437
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:31,280
gone and he said i told my family about

2438
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:32,560
it it's about

2439
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:35,120
i've never not told anybody just

2440
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:37,600
who the hell do you tell it to

2441
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:40,239
and that's just one other example

2442
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,719
uh of and others have come forward it

2443
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,320
left right and center

2444
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:46,800
in 1973

2445
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,880
they all saw charlie and calvin on the

2446
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:51,040
tv or in the newspaper

2447
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:54,159
basically people poking fun of them

2448
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:57,040
but the media today

2449
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:59,199
when calvin came out of the woodwork and

2450
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:00,960
wrote his two books

2451
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,040
treated him with respect

2452
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,679
and didn't poke fun at him so i think in

2453
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:07,120
turn

2454
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:10,080
that's that that encouraged others

2455
01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:12,080
plus that of an age now where some of

2456
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,080
them don't just couldn't care less what

2457
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:16,800
anybody thinks anyway you know

2458
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:20,480
and 1977 sorry 1973 when this happened

2459
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:22,880
he's not eons ago

2460
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,560
you know i left high school the year

2461
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:26,960
after and i'm still here so there's a

2462
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:29,920
lot of people in their 60s and 70s who

2463
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:32,000
were around at that time and have now

2464
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:34,000
told their stories and we

2465
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,560
you know even just just recently we

2466
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:38,800
interviewed eddie hixson

2467
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:42,159
who is charlie hickson's eldest son

2468
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:43,920
eddie didn't see anything at the time

2469
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:47,600
but it did witness some things later

2470
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:49,760
eddie had just gone to vietnam in the

2471
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:52,159
military ten days before this incident

2472
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:53,199
happened

2473
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,960
and he said had i not been in the

2474
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:56,880
military philip i'd have been there that

2475
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,960
night because he knew calvin they grew

2476
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:00,560
up together you know i said i'd have

2477
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,560
been there fishing with him

2478
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,320
and um

2479
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:06,400
you know so we have a full interview

2480
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,080
with him as well and he talks about how

2481
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:10,000
it affected his father scared the living

2482
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,520
daylights however his mum for the rest

2483
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:13,679
of her life she was always looking over

2484
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:16,239
her shoulder like what if what if you

2485
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,199
know

2486
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:19,120
um

2487
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,880
so there's a lot we're going to watch so

2488
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:23,199
dr irena scott and i have worked on this

2489
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:26,320
she's in ohio i would be lost without it

2490
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:28,480
ryan to be perfectly honest

2491
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:30,080
and

2492
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:33,600
we intend to publish this all of this

2493
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:35,920
and there's a lot more to it next year

2494
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:38,639
because it's the 50th anniversary so it

2495
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:41,440
just seems the right time to do it

2496
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,040
and

2497
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:45,920
it's come you know the case

2498
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:48,560
found international recognition back in

2499
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:52,320
1973 it then died again it was gone

2500
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:53,920
people have forgotten about it but when

2501
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,520
i looked when i give you an example when

2502
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:57,360
i first started to look for calvin

2503
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:58,480
parker

2504
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:00,639
i contacted a ufo researcher in

2505
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,719
mississippi seemed to be the obvious

2506
01:33:04,709 --> 01:33:03,920
thing to do

2507
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:04,719
yeah

2508
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:07,440
he'd never heard of it

2509
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:09,280
never heard of it he just sent me some

2510
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:11,120
links that he'd found online i said well

2511
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:12,800
i can find links i don't want links i

2512
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,520
want his phone number you know

2513
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:17,199
and

2514
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:19,280
this is where modern technology comes in

2515
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,560
it was a

2516
01:33:24,310 --> 01:33:23,040
podcaster you probably know him martin

2517
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:24,320
willis

2518
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:26,800
of course yeah martin had interviewed

2519
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:29,760
calvin back in 2013.

2520
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:32,080
he says um

2521
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,880
i think i've got his email

2522
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:36,800
i don't know if it still works so it was

2523
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:39,360
martin who introduced me and calvin

2524
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:40,800
parker

2525
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:42,800
that's amazing

2526
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,040
i've thanked him numerous times but i'm

2527
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:47,679
forever forever thankful

2528
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:49,040
but

2529
01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:52,560
who says podcasts don't uh add to the

2530
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,880
to the research and investigations

2531
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,320
absolutely they do

2532
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,639
and there's a prime example you know

2533
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:01,199
absolutely and

2534
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:02,639
you know

2535
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,800
calvin and i would in fact were talking

2536
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:07,120
this morning we speak regularly become

2537
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,800
friends

2538
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:10,560
and we never know what's going to happen

2539
01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:12,239
next i mean that the

2540
01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:15,679
a local charity in the town for example

2541
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:17,840
raised some money and i put a historical

2542
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:19,920
marker at the location where this thing

2543
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:20,880
happened

2544
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:22,639
and it was officially unveiled by the

2545
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:23,840
mayor

2546
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,840
you know and all that happened

2547
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:27,440
calvin was stood by it when they

2548
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:30,320
unveiled it he was crying you know

2549
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:31,520
and

2550
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:34,400
it's it is a fascinating story it really

2551
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:37,040
isn't it's one that continues

2552
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:38,960
to give there's you know

2553
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,600
there's more things out there and and we

2554
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:43,679
will see where it all ends up

2555
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:46,000
but it's a fascinating account calvin's

2556
01:34:50,709 --> 01:34:48,000
books are available

2557
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,719
um pascagoula the closest encounter

2558
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:52,480
that's his first one

2559
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:55,679
and pascagoula the story continues is

2560
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,119
the second one

2561
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,440
and dr irina scott

2562
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:00,800
got her own book called beyond

2563
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,000
pascagoula the rest of the amazing story

2564
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:06,800
because she is a bona fide scientist

2565
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:09,280
and lo and behold there's another

2566
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:12,000
aspect to the story she was she's from

2567
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:13,280
ohio

2568
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:16,320
she in on october the 11th 1973 she was

2569
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:19,040
away from home studying for her i

2570
01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:22,000
believe it was her phd

2571
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:24,320
when her mother phoned her

2572
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:26,480
and she says there's been a huge sonic

2573
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:28,080
boom

2574
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,280
the united states

2575
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,520
and that was on the 11th of october

2576
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:37,440
1973.

2577
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:38,560
and

2578
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,639
she's never been able to find

2579
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,400
a rational explanation

2580
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:44,159
for this sonic boom

2581
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,679
she's looked into everything it's

2582
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:47,520
recorded on you know

2583
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:49,840
seismic measurements she claims

2584
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,199
and i believe her because she's the

2585
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:53,199
scientist not me it is the second

2586
01:36:02,070 --> 01:35:59,990
and it all happened at the same time now

2587
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,080
whether it's connected to to the

2588
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:04,719
pascagoula incident i don't know right i

2589
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,960
don't know but it was the same same

2590
01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:08,880
night

2591
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:11,119
if you hear an aircraft

2592
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:13,760
you know a jet aircraft do a sonic boom

2593
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:16,320
the radius of the the way you can hear

2594
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:17,600
it is about

2595
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,960
two miles

2596
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:20,639
so it'll give you some exa

2597
01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:24,400
the higher the the jet goes

2598
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,159
the less distance you can hear it

2599
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,320
because the atmosphere gets thinner so

2600
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,639
the sound waves don't travel so far

2601
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,400
therefore it diminishes the higher it

2602
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,080
gets

2603
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:36,320
this went halfway across the united

2604
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,790
yeah that's almost unimaginable then

2605
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:44,880
yeah and it was that look it was that

2606
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,920
that got irina interested and um

2607
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,400
yeah so there you go so that's an update

2608
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:52,320
on the pascagoula case there's a lot

2609
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,159
more but we could literally be here all

2610
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:56,800
night talking about it no let's wait for

2611
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,360
the book ah i'm so excited for that for

2612
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:01,600
sure well i mean to wrap things up

2613
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,760
philip um

2614
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:05,600
where can we find

2615
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:10,560
everything you're up to and uh yeah tell

2616
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:12,159
the folks at home how they can find you

2617
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:13,600
if you don't mind yeah the new book is

2618
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,440
it's a simple title uh ufo landings uk

2619
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:19,920
you'll find it on amazon it's

2620
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:22,719
there's a large format softbackbook

2621
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:25,119
there's a hardback

2622
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:27,119
there's a kindle

2623
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,800
and we're in the process of turning it

2624
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:31,280
into an audio book as well

2625
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:33,440
so that'll be ready at some point

2626
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:35,440
and um

2627
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:37,040
you know all you know i've written a few

2628
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:38,400
other books but they're all there you

2629
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,320
just punch my name into amazon you

2630
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:41,840
you'll find them i have a

2631
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:43,520
little blog although i don't write a lot

2632
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:44,880
on it i just put

2633
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:46,880
bits and pieces on it that's just flying

2634
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:50,159
this press.com that's disc with a k i'm

2635
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,080
on i'm on facebook

2636
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,159
i'm easy enough to find you never forget

2637
01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:56,000
this fat old boy's face once you've seen

2638
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:57,199
it

2639
01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:59,520
oh stop

2640
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,440
well we've got your uh your twitter

2641
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:03,840
twitter handle down there as well if

2642
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:06,000
folks want to reach out to you there

2643
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,800
um

2644
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:08,400
well this has been absolutely

2645
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,719
fascinating phil i'm so happy i finally

2646
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:12,800
got to talk to you i know it was a long

2647
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:16,480
time coming but we covered so much and i

2648
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:18,800
i'm being honest i cannot wait for that

2649
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:21,040
new book to come out on pascagoula to

2650
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:22,800
see what you guys have to see well i i

2651
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:25,520
literally added the eddie hixson

2652
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:27,920
interview to the manuscript this morning

2653
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,639
unless anything else comes up

2654
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:32,080
that will be the last thing i'm going to

2655
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:34,000
try and speak to eddie over the next few

2656
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,520
days just to see if he's got any old

2657
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:37,840
photographs of his you know himself and

2658
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:39,199
his his father

2659
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:41,199
yeah um that we can that we might be

2660
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,480
able to use

2661
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:43,840
but that's all i'm you know the

2662
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:46,880
interview's done it's in and like i say

2663
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,080
um

2664
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:50,639
look out for it later this year uh

2665
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,440
october november time calvin

2666
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:55,679
mrs blair

2667
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,880
deputy

2668
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,639
glenn ryder

2669
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,000
and

2670
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,400
another witness called judy branning

2671
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,320
along with wayne that calvin's wife have

2672
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:07,040
done them they're all featured in a

2673
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:10,400
30-minute documentary made by sky

2674
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,600
dot sky fox a biggie pardon fox nation

2675
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,080
and it's part of a series

2676
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:18,880
and it goes out october november asked

2677
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:21,199
when i get more details i'll let you

2678
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:24,000
know but so they're all featured briefly

2679
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,520
you know in this little 30-minute

2680
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,280
documentary but it will give you a

2681
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,679
little taste of what what we've been

2682
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:31,360
what we've been talking about there's a

2683
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:34,400
lot more but that that'll hopefully

2684
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:36,159
i mean

2685
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,920
others other people might come forward

2686
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:39,119
as a result

2687
01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:41,440
right you never know but that'll be out

2688
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,040
later this year

2689
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:45,760
and um and the book next year at some

2690
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,000
point all been well

2691
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,800
fantastic well philip i have to thank

2692
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,040
you for coming on somewhere in the skies

2693
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,280
today and for all the invaluable work

2694
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:57,280
you do in this field it's truly an honor

2695
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:00,080
to talk to you guys my pleasure ryan i

2696
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:02,480
can assure you yeah and uh let's not

2697
01:40:15,740 --> 01:40:05,040
leave it so long till next time we speak